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Gonzaga Bulldogs at San Francisco Dons, Feb 18, 2012 5:00 PM PST


2011-2012 Season - Game 26
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21-4 (11-2 in WCC)

17-11 (7-7 in WCC)
War Memorial Gymnasium - San Francisco, CA
February 18th, 2012, 5:00 PM PST
TV: KHQ/ROOT Radio: 1510 KGA
Probable starters:
Kevin Pangos G Cody Doolin
Gary Bell G Michael Williams
Guy Landry Edi F Rashad Green
Elias Harris F Angelo Caloiaro
Robert Sacre C Perris Blackwell

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Link anyone?

I can’t find it on justin.tv, but i’ll keep trying

Shaq as an undercover cop:
Shaq: yo man, can I score some dope?
Dealer: Motherf****r, you shaq.

by kguner on Feb 18, 2012 4:56 PM PST reply actions  

Stream?

Who wants to hook up a guy stuck in Chicago with a livestream?

Zagacious

by Will Green on Feb 18, 2012 4:58 PM PST reply actions  

No Heister today?

I don’t know if I can handle announcers who aren’t unabashedly pro-Zag

by rappell40 on Feb 18, 2012 5:02 PM PST reply actions  

Pangos is getting better

He has really started to develop a great runner in traffic, now if that three ball would just be a little more consistent.

by rappell40 on Feb 18, 2012 5:14 PM PST reply actions  

Turnovers

Same ol story. Gotta protect the ball. Most of these turnovers haven’t even been forced. Just bad passing

by i_am_a_ZAG on Feb 18, 2012 5:23 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

I'm not sure about this "pressure" defense

It looks like they are fouling a lot, tough to hang onto the ball with defenders hanging onto your arms

by rappell40 on Feb 18, 2012 5:28 PM PST reply actions  

This

Is the worst officiating I’ve seen in awhile. Could not be more one sided

by i_am_a_ZAG on Feb 18, 2012 5:35 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Game is on channel 115 in Seattle

Game is on channel 115 in Seattle. It’s called LWN.

by Mike'10 on Feb 18, 2012 5:49 PM PST reply actions  

Few is pissed

I haven’t seen him give that much flack to the refs in a while

by rappell40 on Feb 18, 2012 5:50 PM PST reply actions  

Same story every year

Zags have to see this coming though, don’t get flustered by USF’s apparently “clean pressure”, keep pounding the ball inside, focus on defense and rebounding.

by rappell40 on Feb 18, 2012 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Stockton looks like he cut the CHEESE

Baby Stockton suck 15 turnovers now in 3 games
Zags just need to settle down

by toot on Feb 18, 2012 5:55 PM PST reply actions  

Point looks weak

Stock needs to step it up. Pangos and Bell look rattled by the press

by Ken McIntyre on Feb 18, 2012 5:57 PM PST reply actions  

Not everybody has a Curly Neal or Marques Haynes!

It is something GU doesn’t work at….that’s apparant.

by mikesequim on Feb 18, 2012 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Anybody remember Calario

getting “knocked out” by Sacre last year. then shooting free throws 30 seconds later?

by Rdhermann on Feb 18, 2012 5:58 PM PST via Android app reply actions  

Oh man I forgot about that

That was such a flop, probably still a flagrant, but a huge flop nonetheless.

by rappell40 on Feb 18, 2012 6:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Step up

Pangos with 4 points Dower with none. What the heck?

by denverzagdad on Feb 18, 2012 6:41 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Harris

taking the game over right now

by rappell40 on Feb 18, 2012 7:00 PM PST reply actions  

No call on the last shot by Harris?

really? maybe they wore their whistles out.

by Rdhermann on Feb 18, 2012 7:08 PM PST via Android app reply actions  

I wish we could switch conferences

the WCC would suffer so much if GU left

by BKZ on Feb 18, 2012 7:11 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

That was fucking horseshit

How come the team that presses the whole game had 6 less fouls called on it the whole game? Absolute bullshit. I hope few just trashes the refs. It’s worth whatever fines he would get

by i_am_a_ZAG on Feb 18, 2012 7:16 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Who were those announcers?

and why are the USF games always done with these guys? really annoying

by Rdhermann on Feb 18, 2012 7:17 PM PST via Android app reply actions  

He really struggles away from Spokane

Can’t shoot and turns it over on the road. Some of his shots really klank on the road.

by denverzagdad on Feb 18, 2012 7:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

He doesn't show up on the road

I was hoping that trend would end tonight, but it didn’t.

by Nadingo on Feb 18, 2012 7:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Ridiculous.

How can the refs in this gym be so consistently bad?

Zags still played pretty poorly, too many TO’s (although many of them because USF was allowed to play patty cakes with our guards arms) but we have to be stronger with the ball. Pangos also did another disappearing act for about the middle 30 minutes, we should have won this game – I’d hate to think it was the refs that finally had the final say in Gonzaga’s conference run – but that would actually be appropriate considering the horse shit we’ve seen in some of these high school gyms over the last few years.

It’s funny, cause until this game I was thinking about how much better the refs had been this year.

by rappell40 on Feb 18, 2012 7:20 PM PST reply actions  

All the ref bashing?

We had 20+ turnovers and continued to play David Stockton even though he didn’t play well against their defensive pressure. Yeah the refs had some bad calls but how are you going to defend the 20 turnovers and lack of execution on the offensive end?

We had the double bonus and refused to find Sacre / Harris open in the lane. Disappointing. Hardly the refs fault. The rotation and the turnovers are major issues here.

by FrayLo on Feb 18, 2012 7:23 PM PST reply actions  

David Stockton

Was playing because Pangos was in foul trouble for some pretty weak calls. Anyone else see Mikey Williams shove Pangos to the ground when Pangos had the ball?

Gonzaga had to back off any sort of defensive pressure because in the half court, everything was a foul. When Usf can press for 40 minutes and hack, chop, swat at players arms, it’s certainly going to lead to some turnovers.

We did not play a perfect game. Not close. But the reffing in the last minute was terrible. On the inbound, GBJ got fouled. When Harris had the ball, he got fouled on the ground AND in the air. We lost by one.

We did not play well but time and time again Usf got bailed out by the refs. How much extra does it cost to get refs who have reffed above the middle school level?

by i_am_a_ZAG on Feb 18, 2012 7:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Middle school

I think these guys got turned down by the Boys and Girls Club.

by Rdhermann on Feb 18, 2012 7:33 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Sure and David Stockton was inbounding the ball on the last play

…for what reason? Stop looking at the refs, we should be looking in the mirror and looking at our own coach and our play tonight. The rotation was ridiculous (Dower with 11 minutes?!) and the turnovers appalling. There’s another guard named Carter on the bench as well, who only played a few minutes, his name doesn’t seem to be on the magic 8 ball that Few uses to pick his rotation.

by FrayLo on Feb 18, 2012 7:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought the refs were actually pretty good!

Any adult watching this game can point to exactly where GU lost the game. At what moment it started and what happened from then on. GU was out COACHED again, unprepared and unable (lack of coaching) to beat a press! Well, that’s 3 in league……sadly, I was hoping I was wrong back in November but facts always outweigh hopes and the facts reared their ugly head tonight.

Outside of MH, GBJ and “E”, nobody else came to play. That fellow minnions, is unpreparedness, a disease that follows this program like the plague! It can only be corrected by one source. What’s the saying? Oh yeah, “Always the Bridesmaid!”

by mikesequim on Feb 18, 2012 7:32 PM PST reply actions  

I agree Mike...

Horrible coaching tonight..Stocks hurt us..I know Pangos was in foul trouble…Why not more Carter???

Hopefully we respond next week.

JSH

by scotthen49 on Feb 18, 2012 7:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Carter was worse than Stockton

Notice how teams always make runs against us when carter is in the game?

by i_am_a_ZAG on Feb 18, 2012 7:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Tonight...

Any worse than Stockton..he had 5 turnovers in the first half??

JSH

by scotthen49 on Feb 18, 2012 7:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait a sec...

You pointed this out in November? I wasn’t aware…

But seriously, you are right on with the coaching part. If all Few did was focus on beating a press for the last few days we would have won easy, it was apparent they weren’t ready.

by rappell40 on Feb 18, 2012 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Refs...Really

Its called turnovers….We were horrible with the ball tonight, thats why we lost…not the refs.

Also shit shot selection at the end, lets pass up makable shots for shit ones..

SF played great, I hate to say that, they came out and punched us in the mouth…same scenario the last 3 years…a circuit shot on the last possesion, all to familiar.

Scenario- A down SM team comes into SF next week and loses…and we beat BYU at home..and finish off @ San Diego…still hope…SM is down and without Holt, San Fran is playing good.

Lets atleast get a 2 seed…thats the most important thing right now..forget this one and Beat BYU…we need that double bye.

JSH

by scotthen49 on Feb 18, 2012 7:34 PM PST reply actions  

Who's excited for an 8 seed!?!??

I know I am. I can’t wait to get bounced by Kentucky in Louisville!

by i_am_a_ZAG on Feb 18, 2012 7:34 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

8?

Play like this we lose to BYU and don’t win the league tourney. Then we can be a 12-13.

by denverzagdad on Feb 18, 2012 7:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

One other thing.

I will watch and read with interest where the blame lies? I’ve asked before on this blog for someone to point out where it has EVER been a poor job of preparedness or coaching……….EVER by the current staff.

by mikesequim on Feb 18, 2012 7:44 PM PST reply actions  

Well, 16 years is enough for me.

Read the clippings boys! The team screwed the pooch. It certainly couldn’t have been anything else……………like Coaching!

by mikesequim on Feb 19, 2012 8:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Where was Sam?

Goes 7-8 against SCU and barely gets enough time tonight to break a sweat. 2 shots tonight. Was Few teaching some kind of lesson? I don’t get it.

by denverzagdad on Feb 18, 2012 7:45 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Our bigs weren't the problem

I thought Harris played very well and Sacre played well also. Aside from some nice shooting from Gary, we didn’t get any production from our guards. Sam usually comes in when one of them is struggling. He is also the slowest defenses of our three bigs so that contributed as well.

by i_am_a_ZAG on Feb 18, 2012 7:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Why is Gonzaga still in the WCC?

Why haven’t they tried to move conferences, like Boise State did? Playing in the WCC doesn’t do them any favors for the tourney. The reffing and the competition is too soft, there is more money out there, and it might do us some good to have a conf. tournament that is closer to the NCAA tourney. Seems like we play better if we don’t have a week or more off before we play, try to ride the momentum into the first round.

by Rdhermann on Feb 18, 2012 7:52 PM PST via Android app reply actions  

Competition....

GU,SM,LMU,BYU..SF..our conference is getting much better…I would like to see like a WCC vs Pac-12 challenge in the beginning of the season and see how we fare…kinda like Big ten vs.ACC

We could possibly get 3 teams in the dance..Pac-12 1 to 2 that says something.

JSH

by scotthen49 on Feb 18, 2012 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

What the hell are you talking about?

They just lost to the 5th place team. You can’t be that ignorant, not even for this blog.

by mikesequim on Feb 18, 2012 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

5th place team...

Dont think that matters, they have beat us 3 years in a row at there house…gritty team that had a shitty start, almost took out BYU…yeah we should have won, but we played like shit, too many turnovers, bad substitutions. I think SF would be in the mix with the rest of the pack if they had a better start.

JSH

by scotthen49 on Feb 18, 2012 8:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Unexpected losses happen, it's part of the game.

What else happens is the WCC not getting any respect on selection Sunday (St. Mary’s last year). I would like our chances of getting a better seed in the tourney if we were in a more respected conference.

I realize St. Mary’s got bounced in the first round of the NIT, but every year I watch teams from the Big East have a good run in the conference tourney and go from a 10 or lower seed to a top 5. I think my point was proven last year in the, the Big East got a ton of teams in, just to have most of them out in the first round. Seems like the games from these conferences tournaments sway the selection committies decision because they are fresh in there minds (since the championship game is usually on selection Sunday), while the WCC wraps up a week before that.

by Rdhermann on Feb 18, 2012 8:19 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Unexpected losses happen, it's part of the game.

What else happens is the WCC not getting any respect on selection Sunday (St. Mary’s last year). I would like our chances of getting a better seed in the tourney if we were in a more respected conference.

I realize St. Mary’s got bounced in the first round of the NIT, but every year I watch teams from the Big East have a good run in the conference tourney and go from a 10 or lower seed to a top 5. I think my point was proven last year in the, the Big East got a ton of teams in, just to have most of them out in the first round. Seems like the games from these conferences tournaments sway the selection committies decision because they are fresh in there minds (since the championship game is usually on selection Sunday), while the WCC wraps up a week before that.

by Rdhermann on Feb 18, 2012 8:19 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

I'm pissed!

One last coaching shot and I’m outta here!

I had a Dog 14 years old who died 12 years ago. I could’ve dug him up, put him in box and sat him at the end of the GU bench tonight as coach. Let the 13 players sub themselves and call their own plays, go out to dinner at Maxi’s in SF and come back and pick up the players after they won the game by 15! THAT’S how baddly this game was coached!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No offense to my Dog intended! Actually if he was alive still, he would’ve won that game by 25.

by mikesequim on Feb 18, 2012 8:00 PM PST reply actions  

We lost by one.

And you’re pinning it all on the coaches? Sure it wasn’t a well coached game, but it wasn’t like anybody played spectacular either, or like it was a complete cupcake we were playing. 5th in the league or no, USF has some size and quickness, and GU has struggled with quickness all year, and dealing with that isn’t something you can coach over a weekend. It was obvious that the effort was there from the guys, we just had a flare up from our TO infection, and it doesn’t help when Pangos has to leave early with 2 fouls. We lost a game by one in a tough road environment when the shots weren’t falling for us and USF was making circus shots, it happens.

Oh yeah, and the refs sucked balls.

by rappell40 on Feb 18, 2012 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

What the deuce

why didn’t Dower get more minutes? Few should be able to play Harris Dower and Sacre at the same time. Dower is the best scorer we have.

by 1AndDone on Feb 18, 2012 9:56 PM PST reply actions  

They would have ran by us every time

With those 3 on the court. Blackwell is the only true forward on that team that sees significant minutes. Calario is a tall guard who has to play the 4 for them

by i_am_a_ZAG on Feb 18, 2012 10:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

A lot of blocks

Would result from that zone. And a lot of threes

by i_am_a_ZAG on Feb 18, 2012 10:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I just don't think

there’s any excuse for the teams best scorer to get only 11 minutes. In the final minutes of crunch time, Harris is talented enough to play the 3, our best scorers should be on the floor when we need a basket

by 1AndDone on Feb 19, 2012 12:15 AM PST up reply actions  

it certainly should be tried

I remember a lot of preseason discussion of using harris at the 3, dower at the 4, and sacre at the 5. If i recall correctly, we haven’t seen those three on the floor together once this year. While, I do not think it would work very well, the floor spacing would be terrible on offense, I think Few and co. should have at least tried it our early on just for kicks.

by i_am_a_ZAG on Feb 19, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm old enough to actually remember people taking responsibility for their actions.

Believe me, it’s in some archives somewhere! Of course you would have to be born pre 1950 and live west of the Appalachains to have been surrounded by that philosophy….but it did happen! Fortunately, that has never been an issue on this site. We’re all good little title IX’ers. When the masculine hormones begin to bubble with many on this site after a loss there is no telling what wonders might come from that? Heck, some might even reach puberty!! Not many but I’ve read some!
For the last time never again to be repeated here just using USF as an example:

Did GU have better players each of the last 3 years at USF? Did GU have better athletes? Did GU have a stronger bench? Did GU have motivation? Was GU the best team on the floor? Now, apply all of your childish excuses and ask the question why GU lost? Still the Ref’s? Maybe that was too tough for some of you here. Listen, find a six year old who plays hoops and ask the same question to them. Maybe it will confirm your thoughts…………hopefully not!

by mikesequim on Feb 19, 2012 10:15 AM PST reply actions  

GU could have played better

absolutely. No one here is saying that they played a great game and had it stolen away by the refs. Yes, if GU had played like they did against SMC or LMU several days ago then they would have won the game. But GU is not going to play a near-perfect game every single game. Nor should they have to in order to beat a team like USF.

It’s starting to get really, really annoying that more often than not, GU has to overcome the refs in order to win an away conference game. Blown calls happen, I get that. Reffing is one of the hardest, most scrutinized jobs one can have. But this wasn’t one blown call, or two, or three, or four, or five. It’s just awful reffing, completely influenced by the crowd. If you are going to call a tight game in the half-court, fine, go crazy. But that means you also have to call a tight game in transition and during a press. You can’t arbitrarily change the style of reffing every change in possession or every 5 minutes.

Watch a Pac 12, Big East, or Big 10 game. Sure, they allow a more physical style of play, but for the most part, the refs are consistent. Why do refs in these games receive up to $200 more per game than WCC and other small conference refs? Because the refs in major conferences are more experienced and generally regarded as ‘better.’

Did GU lose yesterday only because of the refs? No. But it was one of several factors that contributed to the loss. That shouldn’t happen. Team should lose because they got outcoached, outplayed, and out hustled (like our losses at BYU and SMC to name some recent examples), not because of a factor that is supposedly neutral.

I don’t mean this in a sarcastic way Mike, but what did you think of the refereeing yesterday?

by i_am_a_ZAG on Feb 19, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm curious

Why do you think we won in the MAC for the last three seasons?

by rappell40 on Feb 19, 2012 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Honestly...continuous bad calls by refs can take you out of a game - PERIOD.

Have played most every sport at every level and still compete in USTA – if calls are going against you, it removes a level playing field and is negative to your psyche. I’m sure every player on the Zags felt the refs were taking the game away from them – I watched Stocks and Pangos get ran over completely and the refs just let it go. Many points made in the above posts pointed out how seemingly one-sided they were in much of the game. Mikesequim – have you ever been in a situation where the team just seemed shell-shocked when one call after another was so bad that you felt the refs were not even watching the same game?? You CAN’T honestly say that the refs didn’t have this effect on a team. Coaching can do very little to instill faith in the players that “we can overcome” this lack of decent officiating. Have you ever heard the word “bush-league” used much – In high school baseball you would get a plate umpire (on the road) that couldn’t even see a good fastball or know didn’t know the stike-zone! Smaller towns had teams, coaches and refs that were Bush-league and bad calls and cheap play could be enough of an obstacle.

The refs weren’t that bad last night maybe, but they were “bush” and it played to the advantage of USF. Last night, USF had such a distinct advantage – the Zags went into a shell as they didn’t dare play aggressive – offensively or defensively (IMO). Didn’t help that Few didn’t come more prepared to get this game in hand with what the coaching staff had to expect from USF and the refs. I HATE a poorly refereed game – it is totally unfair for the better team and makes an average team better able have an advantage or momentum…or lack of momentum for the Zags (who are much better when playing a bit of a tail-wind…but not so much a head-wind). Our small stature guards don’t help us either – Zags need guards as big as Bell and larger to play at the physical level needed at this level. If they’re not bigger, they need to be as quick as lightning with crazy athletic ability. Pangos and Stocks don’t have either of those things going for them – that’s a disadvantage and hurts us many times.

by ZagDat on Feb 19, 2012 5:13 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Gotta side with Mike on this one...

First on the press…you’ve got to pass through it. Unfortunately, Stockton has a hard time being able to pass over or around the bigger guards. The teams that are able to pass up through a press are often rewarded with an easy basket under the bucket…after a couple of those, the press goes away.

After Green and Williams began blowing by our defenders, I liked that Few made an adjustment and had a big come out and double team them – it worked the first couple times, but USF adjusted. Then we brought in Hart to slow those guys down – and having that defensive presence was effective. (the buckets those guys made at the end – they earned those!)

So my Coaching question – aided by hindsight I know – why didn’t we see Keita in this game? He has a good handle, bigger than most guards (can pass over the top), is just as fast, and is another defensive presence equal to Hart.

Leave the refs out of this…the turnovers and our inability to convert in the final 90 seconds is why we lost this game.

The older I get, the better I was.

by SpoCub on Feb 19, 2012 8:14 PM PST reply actions  

why we lost....

USF should never have been in a position to win in the final seconds had our vocal and emotional leader Robert Sacre been able to hang on to the ball and show some intelligence on the court. Again, we may have the same rap follow Sacre that doomed Battista and deprived him of an an NBA career. Summed up simply: a liability in the open court. Slow hands. Inability to learn from one’s mistakes. Six turnovers—wow. Call that senior leadership? I don’t—that’s big time regression. But it’s too late to go back to North Van for a refresher course. Kelly might not intimidate like Rob, but come next year I think you’ll see a much more efficient guy at the 5, with Sam moving to the 4.

by fungor on Feb 19, 2012 8:29 PM PST reply actions  

Soooo, maybe we would have been better off

red-shirting Sacre and playing KO this year instead? That basically is what you are saying, right?

Yeah…I know Sacre already used his redshirt.

I disagree…if KO was the better option the he should have been the better option for this year too. Can’t have it both ways.

Final 4 or Bust!!~

by gaz-tastic on Feb 22, 2012 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

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