The Quarterback From Oklahoma
There was this glistening trace in the air. Every time 'The Gun' ejected a ball he would catch it, dribble twice to the left, and launch a jump shot, moves his teammates would then mimic in succession. He was working on body control, bringing his momentum to a dead stop and attaining maximum lift in the air before his shot release. The result was a burst of forward energy followed by a seeming endless levitation, but it was all happening so fast that I couldn't determine what the glisten was.
The same rhythm - catch, drive, jump, release - danced its way all around the arc, shot after shot, exclamation after exclamation. This was the percussion section of the McCarthy Athletic Center, which, cavernous in its emptiness, still stretched and breathed its own orchestra. A generator grumbled somewhere. The squeaky wheels of a cart wobbled in a nearby corridor. But most of all that Gun, better known to the team as Jerry Krause's large, netted ball recovery toy, churned out passes with a thwopp! at a stupendous rate.
After a particularly ridiculous barrage of consecutive makes, The Gun shut down with a long groan.
"All right, I'm taking a break," Ryan Spangler remarked. He walked over behind the west basket and plopped down in the bottom row, directly in front of where I was sitting. Were we starting? Should I interject? I couldn't even make eye contact with him if I wanted to. His head bobbed downward silently, as if we were transmitting some deeply personal prayer to Bakari Hendrix's ghost.
Quotidian gym presence and friend of the show Kevin Pangos, seconds removed from the workout that just sapped his compatriot, squatted in front of The Gun attempting to set up another round. He looked like someone furiously trying to microwave something.
"We going again?"
Spangler's bobbing stalled and switched gears into a full on shake.
Slowly, as if not to disturb up a sleeping giant, I positioned my 6'3" frame beside him. I instantly felt small. He's big, but not in the Will Foster way. Broad shoulders - throwing shoulders, no less - and a wide physique made him larger than he actually was.
He turned his head, and from up close I saw it. The glistening trace. Two twinkling, diamond studded earnings peeked out from behind neck-high soaking wet hair. I was caught staring, though. I had to scramble to avoid gawking like an ass (maybe it was already too late?) so I said something mundane about the weather.
He offered a friendly grunt in return.
And thus began the second and terser segment of this website's indeterminate-part series introducing Gonzaga's 2011 freshmen class.
Spangler said 'yes' to Gonzaga on a beautiful Indian summer day ten months to the day before our little chat. Although this courteous man-child of straight-faced drawl - if not occasional operator of the wry smirk - would never let on to it, every bit of the excitement of that commitment moment was still with him as we talked. He just chose to exude it with the inscrutableness of someone with a dominant inner peace.
He has improved in the past ten months as much as he did in the ten months prior to attending Gonzaga - which was a lot. As far as collegiate programs were concerned at the time, the 6'7" forward was a late (basketball) bloomer. He developed strongly in the second half of the 2010 summer recruiting period, by which time a lot of obvious schools like Oklahoma and Oklahoma State had already invested their time and resources in other big men elsewhere.
Tulsa and TCU were among the first to sweep in on the under-the-radar commodity. Gonzaga quickly followed, if not accidentally. Ray Giacoletti called Spangler while on his way to the famous Peach Jam AAU tournament roughly a year ago to see when and where he could come watch him play. Giacoletti figured Spangler was just as good as most of the players he was about to see in Georgia that week, and was surprised that Spangler wouldn't be there.
Unbeknownst to Giacoletti, Spangler already was there - the tournament has so many elite players, media figures and division one coaches that it's easy to spend the whole day on site and miss a large part of the action.
The two hit it off as soon as they met, talking as many as four times a week over the second half of the summer.
To the staff's credit, Spangler made sure I knew how the recruitment process helped set the Zags apart from the other courtiers. At that point Gonzaga already had its Washington State "Mr. Basketball," their custom Canadian import, and a couple Inland Northwest blue-chippers with chops. But the staff knew things were looking thin in the paint after the 2011-12 season. The team needed someone already in the fold, familiarizing themselves with Gonzaga's style of play in the event that Elias Harris joins fellow big man Robert Sacre in departing at the end of this upcoming season.
Giacoletti organized a campus visit for Spangler on the heels of the big man's trip to Boulder, Colorado. The CU Buffaloes were purported to be Gonzaga's main competition for Spangler's services.
Once he got to Spokane, Spangler committed on the spot.
And so it was that in the same academic year Gonzaga lost a basketball player to a football program, they also lured a football player to come play basketball.
He received 28 collegiate scholarship offers according to his personal tally (those recruiting websites only list three or four offers, but we'll give him the benefit of the doubt). Missouri and Colorado were among the power six schools that bid for his services - and lost.
The ultimate reason why he chose a WCC school is related back to me as if it were an assumed knowledge: "Even though (Gonzaga) is not a BCS school they still make the tournament every year."
The observation is true - we have made the tournament every year since 1999-00 - but it's become de rigeur, insipid. I had to prod further. What about the high(est)-mid-major scheduling and national exposure that helped facilitate some of those tournament appearances in the first place? Did he believe it was more important to always make the tournament than it was to only occasionally make it but make deep runs when you do? Was it merely their very presence in the tournament, or had he seen something in Gonzaga's appearances that he admired?
The inquisition was thrown all out of whack when Kyle Dranginis comically attempted to unclog the Gun; he had made too many jump shots too quickly and the balls couldn't drain out of the machine into the very firing device for which the contraption was named. As he dislodged the balls one immediately shot out and nearly hit him in the face at point blank range. Kevin instructed him to turn off the machine before he killed himself. Spangler connoted his level of amusement by offering a shake of the head that was a cross between deadpan and sleepy.
The momentum of my Big Dance questioning was stanched by the Dranginis slapstick, so I turned to Oklahoma.
In no time we had coursed over the similarities between his approach to football and his approach to basketball (hint: they're both physical), explored the still very much extant oil - oll - industry in which his father earns a living and in which the aspiring business major aspires to do business, and hit on the remarkable cultural differences between the Land of Labor and the Land of Lilacs.
When I started to mention that Oklahoma State is on the team's schedule in 2012-13 he finished my sentence and gave a knowing look which made perfectly clear the date in Stillwater has already long since been circled on his calendar. Several of Spangler's friends attend the school, so there are obvious boasting rights at stake. But there's also some ill-blood.
"They don't like me. They were going to offer me my sophomore year, but then...I don't like Oklahoma State."
Hatred for in-state rivals at the sports crazed intersection of the south and the midwest is understandable. But without skipping a beat he whipped up a similar dreamy-eyed loathing toward impending McCarthy marauders Michigan State, Notre Dame, Butler and Washington State. He gave me a confidential look and indicated that each of these four teams will face the Zags on ESPN.
"If we win them games that'd be a success for me. I don't like to lose."
You'd be satisfied with nothing less than going 4-0 in those games?
Again, brevity. "I don't like to lose."
Playing time allocation was...well, I didn't even want to begin to broach the subject with him, but in reality it might not just be Spangler's team winning or losing this year. It very well could be his physical manifestation on the court that wins and loses.
I mentioned the four post guys ahead of him in my mental depth chart to see which names elicited a response. He instantly credited Elias Harris for his tutelage at the four spot. The team passes down both its hardwood traditions and IQ in the form of a buddy system.
Harris (or 'E' as I'm instructed to knowingly refer to him) was paired with Spangler. In the fraternal order of Bulldogs, daily summer school study halls are called to an end when an older pup arrives and whisks the younger partner away for a different type of schooling session.
E spent significant time over June and July working with him individually on screening technique, post up moves and off-ball movement. Spangler learned even more via osmosis from watching Rob and Sam work out one on one.
Who was remaining big man Kelly Olynyk's partner?
The 6'10" forward struggled through most of an awkward sophomore campaign that saw his playing time and overall influence decrease, and eventually fueled rumors of him making the nontraditional move of red-shirting this upcoming season, his junior academic year. A few days before our interview someone had written on twitter that Kelly might've injured himself playing for a Canadian national team, but few were aware of the full scope of his condition.
I wondered aloud if the red-shirting rumors were true.
Spangler nodded a mute yes, then clarified that he had heard so from someone else on the team.
If this was true, it meant he would be one of four post players suiting up for the team this year. He labels himself a four ("I'm not a five"). If Kelly is ineligible, Rob's at the five, Sam splits time between the four and the five, and Elias actually succeeds in his goal of logging minutes at the three, Spangler's left as the only true four, and is therefore the second and only other line of defense in the interior. So, what did he think of his potentially instant impact on the-
Klang! More shenanigans. This time, Kevin launched a full court shot in our direction that missed the backboard and violently struck a nearby seat. He laughed the laugh of awareness in an intrusive situation, and I jokingly mentioned to him that during his profile piece we kept all boisterousness to a minimum and wouldn't he like to do the same for his teammate?
Kevin smiled broadly and promptly turned around and hit several shots. The deadpan sleepy look crept back into Spangler's eyes. I wondered if he knew I was just giving Kevin a hard time.
Maybe satire wasn't an art often cultivated by the Oklahoman fan or sports figure. Spangler touched back on the cultural differences between his new home and his old home, noting that Spokanites were quite passive relative to the fans he grew up around. Sooners were an exorbitantly outgoing (he preferred the term "crazy") legion, obsessive and clamorous to extent of breaking into song.
I found this hard to believe. Spangler was your archetypical stud quarterback in high school ("I can see the whole floor, that's why I can pass so well"), not a chanteuse. He did what aspiring men do: played football, basketball, and...the tuba?
"The trombone, trumpet, piano and bass guitar, too." He asked Kevin if he knew about his prolific brass talents. The conniving Canadian had not yet had the pleasure of ascertaining these rich details, and shouted something in return regarding his own mastery of the French horn.
Then Spangler raised the ante once more: "I can sing."
Despite my supplications he produced no evidence of this claim.
"Before the playoffs we would get together and invite over all the cheerleaders and the fans and we'd have karaoke nights."
I instantly started trying expunge visions of some dastardly 'Glee'/'Friday Night Lights' hybrid that popped into my head, but that was thwarted when the quiet Dranginis suggested one of the funnier ideas I've ever heard: A 'Fab Five' band performance at 'Midnight Madness', the all-night, student-attended event in the wee hours of October 15th, replete with a carnival-like atmosphere that celebrates the first official practice day of the new season.
Soon the talk devolved into hilarious ribbing sessions, running the gamut from the vanity of hair care products to snoring tendencies to - yes - the glistening trace. Spangler pressed Kevin to follow suit and get a pair of ear rings like the other members of the class, perhaps so when he too darted and levitated there could be some sort of dueling light show.
When we eventually said goodbye I couldn't help but drift back to the idea of the Fab Five musical troupe proposal. If such a spectacle existed, which parts would everyone play?
My best guess told me that Spangler would eschew the high brass and the tinkling piano of his earlier days for the guiding reverberation of the bass guitar, or the low propulsion of the tuba. There was something grounded and steady about the son of the oil man as we left through separate McCarthy tunnels.
Guiding. Grounded. Steady. Even consistent.
What program can't use more of that?
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As I prod these delicate keys
I can’t help but perceive the tender white space intruding upon my sentence when I subtly strike my dusty weathered apartheid bar, so callously separating nouns and adjectives.
by 1AndDone on Aug 10, 2011 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Writing axiom.
Never use a large word when a minuscule one will do.
by 23dpg on Aug 9, 2011 10:54 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
What do ya think Gaz?
Did I hit that one out of the park? Private Joke!
by mikesequim on Aug 9, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That email you sent me
was a grand salami, GOOOOOOOOO ZAAAGS!!~
Final 4 or Bust!!~
by gaz-tastic on Aug 9, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd for note-passing in class
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by larevblog on Aug 9, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, it was verbose....
and I think I have a better idea of who Spangler is. Frankly, I am very happy to see this guy in a Zag uniform. I think he has that toughness that was characteristic of the early Zag teams who refused to lose, and made up for a disparity in natural talent by working their asses off and fighting for every loose ball and every point. I have a sneaking suspicion that this guy will keep EARNING minutes and exemplify what it means to be a team player.
Zagnificent - GU Class of 2010
Personally, I'm a fan of a creative article with good information and a personal touch
If I want to know if he’s good or not I’ll check the box score and game recap.
by ZagsFanatic on Aug 9, 2011 1:10 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Well, it started off manly enough, "The QB From Oklahoma"
I like “creative writing” too but perhaps this one was a bit much for a MENS basketball blog?
Let’s just say, I preferred your Pangos one much better.
Final 4 or Bust!!~
by gaz-tastic on Aug 9, 2011 1:28 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Will, nevermind the old grouches,,,on this one, at least,,
Beautiful piece of creative writing, felt like I was in the gym with a few of our new guys,,, loved hanging with them.
Lets hope he lives up to the hype.
Unlike Poling, Gibbs, Kong, Arop, Vilarino, et al.
We will need him the next couple of years, since it appears our recruiting has taken a step back this year.
What is Donny Daniels doing?
Also, I thought the wrting had some style. Not just a slobber piece about how great the guy will be and when he declare for the NBA.
I agree
with your last point. Does that make me a girl Hoft? Good article Will, keep it up…..just try to add a little more juicy steak to satisfy the meat eaters on ssf….jmo . Thank you and keep up the strong work.
by jomogolfpro on Aug 9, 2011 3:59 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Yup. Or at the very least, a girly man.
MENS basketball, duh.
How how are recruiting taken a step back?
Just wondering what your take is on how are 2011 recruiting class?
I think we have a pretty good recruiting class…GB,KP,KD,RS all seem to be highly touted in there own regard… IMO
JSH
Meh...needs more misplaced apostrophes.
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by larevblog on Aug 9, 2011 3:04 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd for being the grammer POlice ....again.
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by gaz-tastic on Aug 9, 2011 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hey, if basic English punctuation were easy, they'd teach it in third grade.
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by larevblog on Aug 9, 2011 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
TV Schedule
According to Will, the aforementioned games will air on ESPN: Butler, ND, WSU, MSU…I assume BYU and St. Mary’s will be included. So, that means ESPN visits The Kennel 6 times this season…and CBS airs Battle in Seattle. GREAT home court exposure!
"Gonzaga knows how to party...Jesu-WHAT!"
Dayam!
This is gettin CrAzY fun!
I remember pinching myself at the Arena watching GU vs Oklahoma, wondering how it was possible that mighty Oklahoma was playing this lil jesuit school in Spokane. I s’pose we are going to have to get used to it, ahhhhhhh.
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Hey bro quit it with the elite words and stuff!!!!
Are you serious, guys? You’re gonna rip on the writer for writing something that’s not a complete puff piece, is lengthy, and has some thoughts? If this thing had a John Blanchette by-line on it would it be better for you?
You’ve got to be kidding me. “oh no, big words!!!!”
Agreed
I’m a journalism minor at GU so I sympathize, but even if I wasn’t, this is a well written piece! Granted, the kind of profile you’d see in SI or another magazine publication, but still informative. Nicely done, Will!
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informative...
what did we learn about Spangler the BB player? Not sure there is anything I can point to.
What I would LOVE to here is the details behind:
In no time we had coursed over the similarities between his approach to football and his approach to basketball (hint: they’re both physical
Maybe the “hit” was to tease us for a follow up article…I really hope so.
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Not enough one sentence paragraphs to have a Blanchette byline.
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by larevblog on Aug 9, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great piece, Will
Good to know more about Ryan. Really enjoyed it.
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I agree
Good information. Solid writing. I know a little more about the personality of Spangler which you don’t always get in a blog article. The writing style is a bit more like a feature piece for SI. Shorter is usually better for this medium.
Interesting
Are you saying you “know more” about RS because of personal contact or whatever, or are you saying Will’s piece enlightened you?
Good article.
I’ll take anything over a story on a recruit that compares him to another great player. Like, recruit x is a more athletic version of Blake Stepp. Or he’s Jeremy Pargo with a jump shot. If those types of statements were true, they would be sure fire NBAers.
Lost in all the kerfuffle over Will's prose is the reemergence of the persistent rumor of Olynyk redshirting.
And I think I speak for, well, surely more than just myself, when I say “what the shiz is going on in Zagville?” It’s a weird rumor and weird that KO sounds completely out of the loop of the team. So I wonder: does this rumor (if it has substance)
A) give further credence to the idea that GU has not been doing a good job of developing players lately? I mean, why would a seemingly highly skilled / high-ish profile recruit entering his third year in the program need to redshirt?
B) suggest an idyllic scenario where KO is doing the team depth chart a solid, refining his skills, getting ahead on his studies, and is moreover happy to do it?
C) indicate that one of Mark Few’s long-range strategies is to find out exactly how much crap Canadians will put up with before they transfer?
D) suggest a problematic lack of communication or clarity?
E) none of the above
F) Ryan Spangler is just blowing smoke out his butt.
Discuss. I’m not sure what to think about it.
by Hoft on Aug 10, 2011 1:59 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I'm going with "C" lol
I agree it is a weird rumor…. could it be tied to the same idea that Meech “saw the writing on the wall” so to speak when GBJ committed? Does Olynk see how Dower is the “natural” replacement for Sacre, and that Spangler coming to GU is the death knell to his current ability to garner unwarranted playing time? IDK. It is just a weird thing to hear of a guy who is not seriously hurt to even consider RS for his junior year.
And… I do think there is something to option A. From the outside looking in…player developement seems to be lacking….at least when you compare a player’s current progress to where they were the year before….that could be a number of things however…hard to say.
I am pretty slow… so could you expound on what you mean by option D?
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Did you just go "meta"??
saying you don’t understand the one that has to do with communication…
indeed...
I want you to communicate your clarification of the lack of communication and clarity.
Actually I just wanted further clarification…lack of communication or clarity…on who’s part? Kelly, the team, Spangler….Zagville….other unseen forces with hidden agenda’s who would profit from the red-shirting and ultimate demise of a 7 foot canuck??
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I've got no idea what the story is because all we have is Internet rumor
What I think is weirder is that nobody in the media (*cough*Meehan*cough*) is talking about it. The fact that this is “out there” makes it a story. And if not a story per se, it at least warrants an effing tweet or half-assed blog post. You know, call a coach or two, say you heard a redshirting rumor, ask what the deal is, let the people know. Takes two minutes, if that.
Then again, that would mean dragging the media away from wall-to-wall Arena Football coverage.
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Maybe he just isn't that good?
What would you do with a 6’6" Zag whose stats looked like this:
1) Averaged 4.1 ppg against WCC opponents
2) Had 5 blocked shots ALL YEAR
3) Had 17 games where he grabbed 3 rebounds or less (with a season high of 9)
4) Averaged less than 4 rebounds a game
5) Shot 61% from the FT line
6) Made 16 3 pointers in two years @ 35.5%
You would want him on the bench. You wouldn’t talk about him as a starter.
Well, those are KO’s numbers. But, since he is 7 feet tall, people figure he is NBA bound.
I have seen him play in person in the games here in the Bay Area and he just doesn’t look that good. Very slow, not tough, no hops at all and an average stroke.
Not sure it’s a development problem. As much as Zag fans dont want to admit, I just think he is not very good.
I think a redshirt smacks of desperation. I think the coaches are just hoping he can take the time to develop. If he wasn’t 7 feet, we may have seen him go the way of Grant Gibbs.
Bit harsh
KO is all about potential — on the offensive end. If you could play him the entire game he would score a lot of points. He is a match-up nightmare. Of that I have little doubt.
The problem is on the other end of the floor. He lacks lateral quickness and because of that he becomes more of a liability on defense with every step he moves away from the basket.
There are ways to play a kid like this and get the most out of them. Essentially it involves having him play 3 or 4 on offense and 5 on defense.
Of course the problem then becomes, who do you have that plays 3 or 4 on defense that can play 5 on offense — well that’s the simple solution. You can make it more complicated and have three or even 4 players shuffle around to make it work.
Unfortunately, the more complicated things get the more likely you will have a blown assignment.
Nope, if he gets significant minutes I see him playing 5 all the way and moving out to the perimeter or the top of the key on offense (high low game). Sacre has the mobility to play 4 and is a fine defender.
Well with that I will put away my crystal ball. It has never worked well but . . . maybe this time ;-)
mjc
KO's problem is Elias Harris, Sam Dower, and Robert Sacre
It’s pretty simple. Just not enough minutes. If Spangler’s as good as hyped, it’ll be the same thing next year.
Hate to say it, but if I were KO I’d transfer.
The stats you give are definitely grim, but the counting stats are pretty meaningless without minutes per game context
Off the top of my head, I seem to recall that KO rated really highly in rebounding rate — he just didn’t rack up numbers because he didn’t see that much floor time.
Ok . . . . .
If he such a matchup nightmare, why hasn’t he scored many points? If nobody can really guard him, why doesn’t he score more? Personally, I think it’s easy to guard him. He wont’ dribble by you and he doesn’t take that many shots.
The problem he has (among many) is that he should NOT step out. He is not that good of a shooter and he needs to use his height near the basket.
I would much rather he grab 7 or 8 boards a game and block a couple of shots than pretend he is a SF and have him jack up 20 footers.
Why hasn't he scored more?
Simple answer:
Minutes on the floor.
What are his points per minute played? How do those compare to other players?
Watch the GU games. Watch him in the FIBA games. This will tell you much more about match-up problems than a stat sheet.
mjc
I have watched him play in WCC games.
He does nothing. Let’s just get off the talking points and party line and look at it objectively.
He plays 12 minutes a game. They are now asking him to RS. If he is so good, why doesn’t Few want him on the floor?
If he is as good as his hype, he would start and play 30 minutes a game.
minutes on the floor...
Assuming a player played every minute available to him: 40 mins / game
Let’s compare the returning front court’s stats from last year:
Sacre 26.2 min/game 12.3 pts/game that is .47 pts a minute he is on the floor so in 40 minutes he scores 18.7pts
Harris 26.1 min/game 12.1 pts/game that is .46 pts a minute he is on the floor so in 40 minutes he scores 18.5 pts
Dower 13.9 min/game 7.6 pts/game that is .54 pts a minute he is on the floor so in 40 minutes he scores 21.9 pts
Olynk 13.7 min/game 6.0 pts/game that is .44 pts a minute he is on the floor so in 40 minutes he scores 17.6 pts
in every case I gave each player the max amount of minutes on the floor and Olynk comes in last. There could be a lot of reasons for this….he does take quite a few three’s and his FT % is terrible. Whatever the case I don’t think the “more minutes on the floor” argument holds water.
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Stats per 40 minutes is the most useless stat ever.
If a scrub gets in in garbage time and hits a 3, his points per 40 minutes are through the roof. That means he would average 120 ppg.
It is meaningless. The more telling fact is that Few doesn’t trust him on the Court.
I really, really hope he improves this year. It is just a little disconcertig that he considered transferring after he heard about the RS.
Wrong.
Stats per 40 minutes without looking at minutes played is the most useless stat ever.
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It would be much more accurate to say that it gains value as the # of minutes (and thus the sample size) gets larger.
Your scrub only played 2 min. If he played 12 min every game, that might tell us something more.
But I think there are more sophisticated rate stats anyway, which Ken Pomeroy posts over on his site, and which have quite a bit more predictive value.
TOTALLY AGREE
and I am NOTken pom…but he asked…I answered…
Stats in general are a 1/3 of the story anyway…they are all effect and no cause….I am all about what drives metrics not metrics themselves…obviously there is validity both stats/metrics and behavior….as the beatles say….let it be
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Stats need to be interpreted correctly to be used correctly. Simply pointing out that a stat might be misinterpreted does not mean that stat is useless.
cute,+++real cute
just the facts please. no flowers!
Just the facts please
When i read this article all I could think was that Will was trying so hard (as he always does) to impress us with his vocabulary. Enough already! Nobody gives a shit about how many fancy words you know. Put your dictionary away and just write about what you saw, in plain english. Save the flowery words for your english professor.
by Dakota Zag Fan on Aug 10, 2011 9:23 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
The people have spoken, Will: do Hemingway next time. Only that hardboiled modernist minimalism will do.
“Spangler had broad shoulders and a jaw to match. I met him down on Rue de Baseline. We sat down. ‘This is a nice gym,’ I said. ‘It has a lot of hoops,’ he agreed. He drank. I watched him drink. His sweat trickled down his brow and we didn’t say much about basketball” etc etc.
by Hoft on Aug 11, 2011 6:12 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also, add "english professors" to the list of people who dig flowery creative writing.
So far it includes:
1. elitist egotists.
2. girls.
3. english professors.
4. Henry David Thoreau.
Are we missing anybody?
Ooh I know!
Throw Charles Dickens in that mess, that bastard got paid by the word.
Great Expectations? More like Great Big Pile of Shit.
for the record
I never connected HDT to digging flowery creative writing. I said…“walden-esque…I am in love with my amazing vocabulary" writing style” that is more along the lines of accusing both Will and Thoreau of Literary narcissism.
and yes…you left Will off the list….though maybe he is anyone of the first three…no idea.
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