Giacoletti, Others Respond; Eight Players Linked To Salinas' Money
Based on the culling of Houston Select's archive of past rosters, here are eight players with direct links to Salinas' firm. Each of these Select players chose to attend a school with a coach who was investing money with Salinas at the time.
This is by no means a complete list, but rather a starting point for anyone out there that wants to look at this a little bit more thoroughly. As the names of more investors come out, I'll add to it as necessary.
(From left to right: Recruiting Class, Name, Team, Coach/Investor, Date of Commitment)
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2008 |
Gonzaga |
Ray Giacoletti (Ast) |
10/2/07 |
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2007 |
Alonzo Edwards |
Nebraska |
Doc Sadler |
10/1/06 |
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2006 |
Chris Hagan |
Rice |
Willis Wilson |
3/5/06 |
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2005 |
Baylor |
Scott Drew |
8/10/04 |
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2004 |
Arizona |
Lute Olsen |
7/8/03 |
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1998 |
Louis Truscott |
Nebraska |
Danny Nee |
1997-1998 |
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1997 |
Rodney Williams |
Nebraska |
Danny Nee |
1996-1997 |
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1997 |
Justin Wiggins |
Tulsa |
Billy Gillispie (Ast) |
1996-1997 |
A ninth Houston Select player, John Robinson, who initially went to New Mexico as part of their 1998 recruiting class, transferred to Danny Nee's Nebraska team around the time of Nee's departure in 2000.
more after the jump...
You'll see Ray Giacoletti on this list, of course, because he was on Gonzaga's coaching staff at the time Demetri Goodson committed to Gonzaga. The coaches listed in this table are the members of the coaching staff who had money with Salinas at the time of the player's commitment to their team. They were not necessarily the primary recruiters for each player.
Indeed, as we reported yesterday, Leon Rice has been credited in the past with taking the lead role in Goodson's recruitment.
Gonzaga's Sports Information Department emailed a statement to a few official television and print media outlets yesterday in response to those outlet's requests for comment on Giacoletti's involvement. The response included a quote from Giacoletti, which read:
Obviously this is a tragic event. I've known David and his family and invested with him for the past 22 years. My heart goes out to his family and friends. It is my understanding the matter has been referred to the Securities and Exchange Commission for investigation.
Gonzaga's response comes amidst a trickle of mixed, if not conspicuous reaction.
This morning, former Houston Cougars coach Tom Penders, gave The Daily's Dan Wolken the goods on Salinas from an assumedly close-by-but-innocent perspective.
From the Wolken piece:
Penders, now retired, told The Daily that Salinas solicited him for a $100,000 investment in their first meeting and "made a strong, strong implication" that it would help Houston gain access to prospects that were part of the Houston Select, an AAU program that Salinas founded.
Penders continues:
I told him, I'd like to have a good relationship and I'll go watch your teams play,'" Penders said. "But I just thanked him and told him I don't think I can get involved.
I'm just glad I never invested with him. Coaches are supposed to be street smart. I just can't believe guys wouldn't know that was against the rules. It's beyond me.
Then this morning, initial story-breaker Gary Parrish of CBS Sports revealed Danny Nee's outright lie to the Omaha World-Herald alleging his non-involvement with Salinas.
Parrish cites a brochure for Select Asset Management (they even named the team after the freaking investment firm), a firm ran by Salinas' Houston Select co-founder Brian Bjork and under the umbrella of Salinas' J. David Financial Group. The advertising brochure has a direct quote from Nee in which he states that he is a client of Select Asset Management.
Penders' befuddled honesty and Nee's unthruths illustrate the already prickly nature of the Pandora's box Goodman and Parrish opened on Sunday night. Coaches who turned down involvement with Salinas are shocked that others did not do the same. Coaches who were involved with Salinas are trying to cover it up.
Giacoletti, on the other hand, straddles the line between either response.
His quote maintains that he started investing with Salinas in 1989. Giacoletti would have been 27 years old then, just starting out as an assistant to (eventual University of Washington coach) Bob Bender at Illinois State.
It's not implausible that a young coach would begin to invest at that age. But beyond plausibility, Giacoletti clearly noted the length of their professional relationship in order to establish a timeline of being involved with Salinas before he started funding AAU programs. The exact date that Salinas founded Houston Select is unclear, but the widest possible estimate puts it between 1992 and 1995.
For purposes of establishing his initial intent as an investor - and nothing more - Giacoletti's statement is wise.
For purposes of establishing the credibility of his conscience and common sense, it's really unwise. Now he has to answer a question that has zero plausible answers:
Once Salinas started cultivating and promoting Houston Select teams, how did it not dawn on you for at least 16 years that investing money with an AAU Booster was a terrible, illegal, and potentially career-ruining idea?
Tom Penders certainly recognized this reality and stayed away from it. Other coaches presumably did as well.
The gravity of the situation is raised now because Salinas' pattern of behavior has been established - the guy clearly solicited at least one coach to do business with him in exchange for funneling players his way. It's very likely that Penders was not the only person solicited, either.
If this investigation continues its course Giacoletti will have to explain why he never found another investment advisor, and whether or not Salinas ever approached him in the same manner he approached Penders.
I feel like that's an explanation none of us want to hear.
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I have to doubt Ray's guilt for two reasons
1) If the 22 year history is true and provable that seems pretty damn solid
2) Virtually all of the players listed on the site went to mid-major schools. Coach G didn’t receive any benefits (in the form of enrolled athletes) over the 10 years that he worked as a head coach at NDSU, EWU and Utah. It seems strange that the first recruit would come his way in his first year as an assistant at GU when the player was recruited by another coach. If the alleged basketball connection is true in Ray’s case then Salinas was even worse at funneling recruits than he was at investing.
I understand where you're coming from, but...
…your #2 is not true.
There are 23 players on the Houston Select website that went to BCS schools, and upwards of 30 if you include high mid-major schools like Gonzaga and BYU. That’s a lot of talent going to big time, important places.
Also, I’m not 100% confident that Giacoletti didn’t receive any benefits in terms of players over his ten years prior to GU. I will explain why I think that in a subsequent post.
Thx for reading. We’ll have more on the story soon.
Hate to say it . . . .
But Gonzaga needs to part ways with Giacoletti.
Honestly, his coaching skills do not merit the headache that this investigation will bring to the program. There is a reason he has bounced around the college ranks. He is very, very lucky to be on any college bench, let alone Gonzaga’s.
Parting Ways
Right now it is a little too early to part ways with Giacoletti. The only reason I say this is to have the school look like it has faith in its program and the people that run the program. So much as a confirmation about wrong doing or benefits should be enough to fir Giacoletti. Down the road it will look like GU was object and fair and I hope will bring in someone worthwhile. Giacoletti does not bring a whole lot to the table as you have said but it is more important to show that GU is not involved to keep its image clean. I just hope that this does not go deeper than Giacoletti.
No reason to dump Giacoletti yet
At this point we know that 1) Giacoletti invested with Salinas and 2) that Goodson was from Salinas’s program. We don’t have any that links him directly since Rice was the main person recruiting Goodson. And Goodson was interested in Gonzaga before Giacoletti even arrived at Gonzaga.
The only way the conspiracy theory on this works is if Rice acted as a cut-out for Giacoletti before he even arrived at GU. In which case the scandal gets worse and Rice gets dragged in. Of course, the only way a conspiracy between two assistant coaches works is if Few was involved and that I have a really hard time believing. So, at this point, it’s either a dumb decision on Giacoletti’s part or much worse than it first appears.
Until there’s more information…information that either links Rice or shows a pattern with other players…I’m inclined to believe it was just a dumb decision by Giacoletti to keep his money with Salinas. He’ll be under scrutiny, but he should be fine unless we find out something more.
This makes me sick.
I really don’t want to overreact, but this could spell the end to Gonzaga. I have often thought that it would take only one scandal where the school loses scholarships and/or postseason play to bring the program back to mediocrity. I am not naive enough to think the program was clean, but I always hoped that it was.
Don't rush to judgement here
Let the facts all surface. There is nothing that we can do about this one way or another. If the other shoe is going to drop, so be it. We will deal with it.
On the other hand if Giacoletti is free from any wrong doing, at a minimum, some of you are going to look very foolish and you may be doing a gross disservice to someone that doesn’t deserve it.
I’m not taking one side or the other right now, I think the rest of you should do the same.
The sky isn’t falling just yet.
mjc
seriously people?
Only fact we know: Ray Giacoletti invested with Mr. Salinas.
Any other conclusion regarding the future of Mr. Giacoletti is unwise, inappropriate, and downright abhorrent. There is an on-going investigation and for “fans” of THE program to believe that this relationship was any less than innocent is not the Gonzaga way. Making assumptions based on speculation is just downright wrong. He has never in the past given reason to doubt him, why should we jump off ship now??
Meech was considering Gonzaga before Giacolletti even got there. He visited campus in 2006, showed strong interest then finally committing in fall of 2007. COACH Giacolletti came to GU in the fall of 2007. It is unwise for anyone to make any conclusions on what we know now without facts. It is a shame nothing in the article mentions this point and it borders on shoddy journalism to implicitly impute guilt on someone based on flimsy circumstantial evidence. I thought better of this blog.
by King_dini on Jul 19, 2011 1:58 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I need to get better at reading in between lines
Where does Will imply guilt? He questions the relationship the two had, don’t you? This idea of the “Gonzaga way” sounds more like blind idolization than anything else to me.
I support Giacoletti (and feel terribly for him) but the conflict of interest ALONE makes me extremely wary of this whole situation. I’m not saying his guilty and should be fired, but for a former head coach and current assistant coach to be investing money with an AAU coach seems, well, stupid to me.
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by Zach Bell on Jul 19, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
The title of the article reads “eight players linked to money.” That is a pretty strong implication of guilt, considering there exists at this time NO EVIDENCE linking the money to the recruitment of any players to Gonzaga. You can fallaciously point to his dealings with the one coach as evidence that he gave access but it is certainly OBVIOUS that he promised certain things he never delivered, which ultimately why he was being investigated by the SEC.
Another interesting piece that is left out was that J. David Salinas’ role at this AAU team was as benefactor, not a coach as you explicitly state. This is a major point to consider because how do we know his role with this team was anything more than donations to fund a program? Drumming up a controversy with little evidence other than a flimsy circumstantial argument during the silly season of basketball is just that, silly.
by King_dini on Jul 19, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He founded Houston Hoops AAU
Per SI:
Salinas, who committed suicide on Sunday amid a months-long investigation into his businesses by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, died at age 60 from a gunshot wound at his home in Friendswood, Texas. He was the chairman of the eponymous J. David Financial Group in Friendswood, the founder of the Houston Select AAU basketball program and a Houston, Rice and Wichita State donor.
The title is a bit strong but the entire post establishes the connections that have gone on between Houston Hoops and coaches who invest in Salinas. At the end of the day, the entire situation is incredibly shady and the NCAA should address this with a new rule going forward. Coaches should realize that it is a tremendous conflict of interest. And now we have two coaches involved with Salinas and we’re the one’s “drumming up controversy”. Ok then.
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His players refer to him as Coach Salinas....
http://houstonselect.org/chrishagan.html
He is both a coach and a booster.
ZB, you're my boy and I will defend you and Max till the end of time, but.......
Will (who btw offers a lot to this site and I enjoy his writing), does a lot of connecting the dots in his piece…
I think it’s fair as a journalist to write about Coach Jack’s and now Few’s monetary involvement, along with the piece about how other Houston AAU players ended up at schools where the coach invested money with him.
I think it’s totally unfair to Coach Jack to write lines such as “But beyond plausibility, Giacoletti clearly noted the length of their professional relationship in order to establish a timeline of being involved with Salinas before he started funding AAU programs.” or “Once Salinas started cultivating and promoting Houston Select teams, how did it not dawn on you for at least 16 years that investing money with an AAU Booster was a terrible, illegal, and potentially career-ruining idea?” and “If this investigation continues its course Giacoletti will have to explain why he never found another investment advisor, and whether or not Salinas ever approached him in the same manner he approached Penders.”
1) Will, if a friend pasts away do you really think your response of how long you have known someone would be that calculated? Mine sure would not be. I don’t know about you. He has known the guy a long time. He trusted him. Probably like you trust your friends from your young adulthood.
2) There are absolutely no rules against investing with an investment advisor whom help start AAU teams. Coach Jack did not break any rules as the story stands right now. Might be a good idea to wait for the SEC investigation to figure out the financial wrong doing then the NCAA investigation for any compliance related issues.
3) His money is his money. If you think ALL his money was invested with this guy then you underestimate his compensation throughout the years. Salinas probably produced great returns (Ponzi schemes always do) and Coach Jack kept his money with him. Idea’s about investing and who to invest with has changed a lot in the last 3 or 4 years. Don’t forget that. Different ballgame in the 90s and early 2000s.
My final point is support our guy. He got financially duped, lost a friend, and now his coaching character is being called into question. If there was some huge pipeline of Houston AAU players attending Gonzaga then I would be worried. 1 player since GU made their Elite 8 run. Let’s let the facts play out before jumping all over the guy.
To DKZag
I appreciate your comments. To respond.
1) I don’t believe Giacoletti’s quote was malicious. I’m assuming it’s honest. The specific number of ‘22’ years is important, though, because of what it establishes. Knowing the SID and GU, they are absolutely 100% meticulous about every single word that comes out in a media statement. Everything is purposeful. I feel bad that Ray lost a friend, and as I stated in my first post, my genuine sympathies go to him for presumably losing $1.2 million. I can’t even fathom what having $1.2 million is like. “22 years” is purposeful though, and I don’t necessarily think it is in a bad, offensive or misleading way. It very well may help exonerate Giacoletti, and rightfully so. Purposeful is purposeful. Calculated implies wrongful intent.
2) I agree, on the surface there are no rules against investing with someone who also happens to boost/promote/coach college recruits. But you have to acknowledge two important details here that make this a really bad idea, regardless of whether or not it was a legal idea: a) Salinas is known to have asked some coaches, not Giacoletti or Few, but some coaches, to invest with him in exchange for steering players to their programs. b) Common sense tells you it’s a bad idea to have money tied to a guy who deals with players, plain and simple. According to Giacoletti he kept his money with Salinas for 16 years. While I empathize with him for the loss of his friend and his fortune, nearly anyone would tell you that investing with such a figure is a bad idea. Is it legal? Technically yes, it’s fine. But it raises airs of suspicion. It looks bad and reflects negatively on a program that we’re all proud of.
3) I don’t think Giacoletti had all his money with Salinas. I have no idea who else he invested with. I don’t think that discussion is germane to the conversation. All that matters is that some money was with this guy.
I hope this can clarify some points. Thanks for reading our site.
Few implicated...
SI.com just ran an article saying that Few also invested and lost $350,000 with Salinas. As more facts are coming to light, I am feeling worse and worse about this.
Implicated????
seriously? that is the word you would use??? how about identified as an investor. Last time I checked these investors were scammed.
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Sure....
Implicated sounds like a bad word, but it is accurate. Implicated does not mean guilt. Implicated means that something can be naturally inferred by the information provided.
I have utmost faith in Mark Few, and the program he runs. And his and Giacoletti’s investments may turn out to be just personal monetary losses, but we have to look at the big picture of perception. And right now, and this information comes out, perception is not on our side.
by GooseneckZag on Jul 19, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
so the plot goes...
Salinas had some sort of sway with these kids and what? Used the “investments” to pay players to go to the schools of coaches who "invested" That is what is implied I suppose but it not an established fact.
So now Few’s name is added to a list of 100 investors…the majority of which were NOT BASKETBALL RELATED….
Seriously ppl do you really think that Mark Few would use this guy to get players? He got Meech…and who?? No one. 350k invested for Meech…please! Oh and Ray had what 1.2 mil…yeah sure. Def worth it!
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Also...
why in the hell is the title of this article "Eight Players Linked To Salinas’ Money " ?? Are you reporting that you have discovered a link between the ponzi scheme and the players?? What link have you found between his money and these players??? That indeed would be a scoop! Seriously….you should change the name of this article at least….but I suppose you won’t…
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by mattydog73 on Jul 19, 2011 3:25 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Sorry, I mean.
I mean, Lighten up, Francis.
I am perfectly calm
but why should I lighten up? This article is as Knee jerk as can be…and the title implies something very serious that is completely not true….or at the least deviod of any evidence at all.
now if you don’t mind…I don’t like ppl to touch me so if any of you touch me I will be forced to kill you. :) lol
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