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Katin_medium(Update: Reinhardt has jumped from 97th to 43rd in Rivals' updated 2012 Top 150).

If you missed Zach's primer on blue chip recruit Katin Reinhardt, fear not. SSF spoke to The Mater Dei (Santa Ana) HS super guard last night for the first time about his plans for 2012. In an attempt to send a quiver into the loins of every red-blooded, news-starved GU fan, I'll lead with his opening salvo of the conversation, which was leveled with gusto before I could even get out a question.

"Gonzaga is a huge option for me. It's a great opportunity, so I'm looking at it and keeping that school as a top school."

And so the tempo of the dance of mutual seduction ticks a little quicker.

On just who, exactly, is doing the dancing, Reinhardt affirmed that it is not the cool swagger of Donny Daniels that's attempting to lure him to Spokane, but instead the slightly less graceful figure of an assiduous Tommy Lloyd hunched over a telephone in a Days Inn somewhere.

Lloyd has hit his marks, though, and made an especially indelible impression on Reinhardt during their multiple conversations with promises of playing time: "He mentioned the ability to come in start as a freshman. So, that really caught my attention, because I can play different spots, the one, two and three." For now, I'll save the commentary on the extraordinary ambitiousness of Lloyd's promises for another post.

It is clear, however, that both sides genuinely admire one another. Reinhardt noted that he was attracted to Gonzaga last fall before his commitment to USC, and that he thought Spokane would be a good fit for him. Mark Few has even gotten in on the Reinhardt re-auction, personally buttressing Lloyd's calls with missives of his own. Reinhardt says he plans on talking with Few, "in the next few days," and notes that Few has already talked to his father about coming to Gonzaga. 

Reinhardt made minor waves a few weeks ago by de-committing from USC (someone should really give Kevin O'Neill some referral points, or something). But the USC staff stirred up the wake when they felt the need to publicly announce that they wouldn't be talking to him anymore. The waters really started roiling once Reinhardt put on a pair of standout performances at the Kevin Durant and NBPA Top 100 camps this month.

Reinhardt said his dismay with the Trojans concerned tactics.

"USC has a lot of set plays. I like to get up and down the floor, and you know, Gonzaga does that, they get up and down. And also, the way they would have used me, I would've just played a two at USC. Now that more people are seeing me play and saying that I could play the one at 6'5", that's valuable."

The level of commitment required in order to secure a commitment like Reinhardt's is undoubtedly increasing every day, as more and more teams are noticing a 6'5" guy who can shoot from outside, drive with the ball, and relishes finding open guys around him. 

The four-star recruit revealed to us (we can't find it reported anywhere else, anyway) that he's holding fresh offers from UNLV and UTEP, putting his grand total at seven. And it's looking like a seven horse race.

"All those seven schools are all good in a way. I haven't really looked at other options yet. I don't really know what would be a top school, but I know I really like Gonzaga," he said. "It's a very good fit and a very good opportunity for me to help me get to my next goal. I wouldn't (rank the schools numerically) though."

And while several four-year-oriented schools continue to pursue the outgoing, affable kid from Santa Ana, he openly notes that he might not be around forever.

"I've thought about (leaving early and declaring for the NBA draft) and I've talked to a lot of people about it," he said.

"If I go to a school I will be focused on helping that school win a championship. That's first and foremost. If it happens to last one, two, three, four, however many years...if the opportunity comes, then I would love to take the chance to go play professionally. That would be one of my dreams."

He says he has no timetable for his decision, only that he plans to narrow his list of schools to five by the end of the summer, only after which point he plans to start making campus visits.

Clearly, Reinhardt is wisely keeping his options open. He's also 17, overwhelmed, and in the middle of trying to enjoy the little summer vacation he actually has. But even the most unmolded of amateur scouting minds (such as yours truly) can see that it's not a matter of 'if,' but 'when' Reinhardt will start attracting NBA attention.

He's a truly talented scorer -- I'm sticking vehemently to my Richie-Frahm-with-slashing-ability comparison until I see film that proves otherwise. In contrast to some of the bursts of timidity and confusion we witnessed on the perimeter in 2010-11, he treats tentativeness like a scourge, but wants to do so from three different vantage points.

This might encapsulate both Reinhardt's biggest benefit and drawback as far as the Zags are concerned, as fully utilizing his skill set could potentially come at the cost of exacerbating the backlog of the 9(!) different ones, twos, and threes on the 2012-13 team.

Whether or not any of this matters to the Gonzaga coaching staff remains to be seen. Regardless, look for Reinhardt's to be one of the slowly unfolding, dominant recruiting stories of the upcoming season.

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Like this kid

We can worry about our current depth later, this guy is a total gamer. I like the Frahm comparison. A kid with grand aspirations (NBA) can be good or bad, but can’t deny his skill set at the HS level.

by cjm720 on Jul 1, 2011 10:33 AM PDT reply actions  

My only concern

is that adding another g/f could create another round of transfers/sour grapes. There just aren’t enough minutes.

by CLT_ZagsFan on Jul 1, 2011 11:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Get Him!

From the videos I have seen of this kid he seems to be an excellent talent, great vision and a great shooter, physical..to me he seems like a Matt Bouldin mold with alot more athleticism…the way he threads the needle with his slick passing reminds me of Bouldin..but like I said a quicker more agile version.

I agree w/ 720…the mentioning of NBA could either be good or bad considering he hasnt even played college yet..but he did mention his ultimate goal is to “is to concentrate on helping his team win a national championship”…

If we do get this kid, I see Keita transferring…from the style of Reinhardts game I feel like Kyle Dranginis has a similar style..but I havent seen videos, just going off of conversation…so also a concern of losing some guys to transfer..

JSH

by scotthen49 on Jul 1, 2011 11:04 AM PDT reply actions  

flashy player

from what I had been reading the last couple months was NS St was all over him…and Arizona….but sounds like we are in the game now too…

I have zero concern if Keita leaves or Hoff for that matter….I have never thought they fit. This kid could play circles around both of them anyway….so can Kyle D for that matter.

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by mattydog73 on Jul 1, 2011 11:43 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

seems everybody

is promised to start right away. the good ole bait and switch

by 1AndDone on Jul 1, 2011 4:38 PM PDT reply actions  

To be fair

there is a difference between “you can compete for a starting spot/regular rotation role” and “you will start/play regularly”.

Still, I don’t like constantly going after the shiny new thing at the expense of confidence, stability, and chemistry.

by CLT_ZagsFan on Jul 1, 2011 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Promises, promises....

My take is that Gary Bell Jr. was supposed to be our starter at the point or shooting guard for the next four years, unless we hear otherwise. Recruiting yet another guard smells of crowding. Unless, Lloyd knows something that we don’t, such as a Keita or a Monninghoff leaving the program, or perhaps others. Physically, the guy seems like a clone of Dranginis. Do we need two? Or perhaps he’s a much better player. Which recalls the old recruiting axiom: “You’re the best, until we get someone better.”

by fungor on Jul 1, 2011 7:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Unfortunately

it seems like you’re right. It’s gonna be hard to develop a quality core if the staff is constantly pursuing the next best thing. It would also be messed up to recruit a foreign player, have them come half way across the world, and then “encourage” them to transfer the following season.

There’s already a glut at g/f, and with at least two highly touted recruits likely to rs. If I’m Pangos, KD, or even GBJ, my commitment would at least come into question.

With all that said, he seems like a hell of a recruit (hows that for non-committal?)…

by CLT_ZagsFan on Jul 1, 2011 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

They didn't say he would start at point did they?

I thought he might well start at 2 or 3. We may or may not have a hole to fill at 3 next year.

As for the M&M boys, one shoots 3’s and plays no D — will be a role player until he learns to defend a lot better, and put the ball on the floor and drive when they close out on him — wouldn’t hurt his cause if he became a great passer too.

The other . . . I don’t know exactly what to think about — jury is still out! He had some good games and then there were others . . . he may turn into a nice guy to have in the rotation — lets see what he can do this year.

mjc

by quidveritas on Jul 1, 2011 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

Seems like he would be a good player and probably a good fit, but I dont like promises either. some one will just end up transferring again will see.

by go lions @ go zags on Jul 1, 2011 7:25 PM PDT reply actions  

For what its worth, I think people are jumping to conclusions as to what exactly Tommy did or did not say. First off, tommy’s conversation is paraphrased by the kid. What was said we dont actually know. Second, Katin said he would have “the ability” to start as a freshman. Every one of our players have “the ability” to start as freshmen, whether or not they put in the work and make the cut is another matter. I never saw anything amounting to an all out promise on coach lloyd’s part, but rather an effective recruiting tactic… This kid very well could be good enough to start as a freshman. I certainly wouldn’t mind it if he makes the cut!

Btw based off his highlight video this kid looks SICK. I’d bring him in a heart beat, he is NOT a dranginis clone.

by dnj116 on Jul 2, 2011 7:14 AM PDT reply actions  

43rd on Rivals, 65 on ESPN

The kid clearly has the talent to start, given GBJ will likely start. E could leave after this year, leaving the potential for Pangos at the one, Bell at the 2, and KR at the 3.

by NewEnglandZagFan on Jul 2, 2011 9:39 AM PDT reply actions  

sounds nice...

where does Dranginis fit in….? He seems like a pretty special player, and you dont mention him…

JSH

by scotthen49 on Jul 2, 2011 10:16 AM PDT reply actions  

Drainginis was the ID player of the year...

And boasted some gaudy statistics. Just because he is capable of out-playing your average high-school player on a game to game basis does not mean he is high-D1 starting material. Players, even ones that seem like sure things and have all the credentials, don’t always pan out when the pace of the game increases, and the athleticism and average skill level take a BIG jump. I see Drainginis as more of a work in progress. I think that if he takes the time and puts the effort in, by his junior year he might be starting material and a significant contributor. But to say that he is ready on day one to contribute significantly would be to over-simplify the situation and neglect the differences between college and high-school basketball. He has potential…let’s just leave it at that.

Zagnificent - GU Class of 2010

by Zagnificent on Jul 2, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's likely a impact shooter off the bench.

I’d be surprised if he was ever a regular starter at GU.

by SethGrandpa on Jul 4, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

how do you know...

Have you seen KD play in person..are you a scout??..just leave it at that?…some players over achieve and some under achieve… you just never know..Saying that.. I see Reinhardt making a instant impact…I havent been fortunate to see much on Dranginis, but from what I have heard seems to fit the mold of the styleof Reinhardt..

JSH

by scotthen49 on Jul 2, 2011 1:58 PM PDT reply actions  

excuse the skepticism

Over time, I’ve come to be from Missouri when it comes to players from small markets, or from areas where the competition is weaker, ie., Canada. Off the top, I’d lean much more favorably to a kid that plays on a big time program like Mater Dei rather than the big fish in a small pond kind of ambience in which Dranginis played. But I’m willing to be corrected. If Dranginis brings Corey Violette’s work ethic (Idaho) to the table and big guard savvy like Blake Stepp (Oregon), I say forget about bringing in Reinhardt, who could provoke the kind of dissension that caused seven players to leave the program over the past two years.

by fungor on Jul 2, 2011 4:40 PM PDT reply actions  

totally off topic,,,do i ever care?

but speaking of players from proven areas,,,how good is GB straight outta South Puget Sound gonna be???

by mattzag72 on Jul 3, 2011 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

brooklyn

as good as if he were from brooklyn?

by jazzdelmar on Jul 3, 2011 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

kind of random, but, as the king of random, i'll bite

comparing D1 talent , from Brooklyn, (lets just go with Greater NYC, around 20 million pop), with South Puget Sound, (again, just go greater Seattle, 2 million), hey throw in Chicagoland, LA, Houston, what have ya… I’m not gonna be repetitive, we have run down the local talent many times on this site, and I am sure you could come up with more names from NYC and Chi-town, maybe LA, MAYBE, and I doubt Houston,,,
     Still, you might be surprised how close Seattle is to being at the top of the prep hoops talent world these days,,, so yeah, someone dominating the South Puget sound high school scene is as good as dominating any prep circuit in the country, in my book… anyone can bust, “Ruckers Park legends” routinely flop in college, so can a King county allstar….but I will take GB’s pedigree against anyone

by mattzag72 on Jul 3, 2011 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gary Bell

He’s from the same neck of the woods as Rodney Stuckey, Isaiah Thomas, Bing Crosby , Edward R. Murrow and Dale Chihuly, so he can’t be that bad. But there are bigger names in the Green Wood cemetery in Brooklyn. And one live Brooklyn transplant, Lennie Wilkins.

by fungor on Jul 3, 2011 4:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Beware Mater Dei Players

These kids are all pretty privileged and play at a program that is as well funded as most small colleges. A lot of the kids out of MD think they are God’s gift. Hence, when they go to a college where where they aren’t immediately the star, they look for something bigger and better.

In recent years:

Mike Gerrity. Transferred from Pepperdine to College of Charleston. Transferred again to SC.

Gary Franklin. Played at Cal one half of a year. Left in mid-season. Transferring to Baylor?

Wear Twins. Transferring from UNC to UCLA.

Taylor King. Transferred from Duke to Villanova. Then to NAIA school.

All of these guys were top 100 or higher in HS.

And when I see this Reinhardt kid already de-committing from USC, I start to wonder if he is another Mater Dei flake.

Also, his “top 5” list changes according to the reporter he is talking with. I have seen a couple of interviews where he doesn’t mention Gonzaga at all.

My guess is that he will end up at a “glamour” school. Not enough of a spotlight at GU.

by SanJoseZag on Jul 5, 2011 10:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Which recent interviews have him not mentioning Gonzaga?

The staff recently came on strong to Katin which is why I ask. I have seen a pretty consistent list from him since Gonzaga started recruiting him and have heard GU mentioned every time. Please provide some links if you’re going to lump Katin in as a “flake”.

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by Zach Bell on Jul 5, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gerrity

He transferred from Pepperdine to Charlotte (where he didn’t really play his first year) then transferred again.

I met him once and he was a nice guy, but apparently a selfish player.

by CLT_ZagsFan on Jul 6, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

SanJoseZag

Just an opinion. I will tell you right now. He will not go to Gonzaga. This is a kid who has considered putting his name in the NBA draft. He doesn’t even know he has to wait a year.
I could see his NBA plans if he had Kansas, UCLA, Duke, UNC or Kentucky offers. He doesn’t. But if he gets those types of offers, he will not consider Gonzaga. Again, just my opinion. USC told him to take a hike. They didn’t want to deal with him (or his father).

by SanJoseZag on Jul 5, 2011 12:36 PM PDT reply actions  

nice.

Glad to here this. Last thing any program needs is a flake. I have read the scouting report on him and he does seem to be talented but in love with the flashy play over the fundamental one. This leads to a lot of TO’s.

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by mattydog73 on Jul 5, 2011 7:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Guys

As I said, Katin hasn’t been on Gonzaga’s radar for too long…as in, since mid-to-late June. Look:

http://blip.tv/packinsider/katin-reinhardt-talks-at-the-11-nba-camp-5295208

Same website that produced your first link just a week later. Hence why Gonzaga was probably the first to come to mind since they had just started really reaching out. All the links you point out are good, but dated to an extent.

Will had outstanding things to say about Katin and he gave a great interview. We’re going to call him a flake for saying he’d look at the NBA early or because he went to high school at Mater Dei. Ugh, such is life on the Internet, but I’d hope there would be a bit more due diligence done before the labels start flying around.

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by Zach Bell on Jul 5, 2011 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

my whole post..

didn’t show…

the rest of what I said but deleted somehow…was…" I am not calling him a flake specifically but the track record along with the decomit from USC and then USC announcing they will not continue to recruit him…that gives me pause in general. Now this along with the track record of Mater Dei..players….

but to add to this….I don’t think this kid comes to GU anyway…that big of a jump in ranking will def make him a huge blip on some big time programs radar…IMO guess as mike says…we will see….can’t deny the kid has talent..that is for sure.

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by mattydog73 on Jul 6, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't we need BIGS?

We lose Sacre next year and maybe Harris too? That leaves KO (not a post player), Sam (love his game) and Spangler in 2012-2013 so far.

We seem to keep adding guards and wings. This is partly because we have lost so many to transfer in the last couple of years (Meech, Kong, Manny, Gibbs, Vilarino) and because the kids we have recruited at those positions haven’t panned out (MM and Keita).

So we will have GBJ, Pangos, Landry, DS, Keita, MM, Kyle D, walkon from the Prep, and maybe the Mizzouri transfer? Now we are looking to add Reinhardt too? Seems unbalanced.

I honestly feel like we will see MM and Keita transfer out too. I just don’t see the well rounded skill sets that we need.

by SanJoseZag on Jul 6, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

GU's 2012 class

Will likely only have one backcourt/wing player. They will likely sign two bigs/power forwards Looking at the early targets, they appear to be going after athletic power forwards that control the paint on defense but I wouldn’t be surprised to see some type of Euro big added as well.

The staff will address the post but if they can get a player of Reinhardt’s quality then you just can’t pass it up.

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by Zach Bell on Jul 6, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes we do.

that is why they are going after Skylar Spencer and maybe this large Polish gent….

If we were to get them…that would be a pretty good backcourt…Dower, Spangler, Spencer and Polishkid….or some other big…I am not sold on these Euro players…and more specifically this kid….we shall see….

and yeah MM and Keita need to go. I never agreed with their recruitment….calling it “a step backwards” if I may quote myself. :)

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by mattydog73 on Jul 11, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did some of my own research along with your posts

I’ve never seen him play, never heard him talk or new much about him until the past couple of weeks. I agree with your shot at MDHS. However, I just don’t have enough info here to be pro or con on the young man. I’m more incline to let him be the decision maker for me. I like his style of game from what I’ve read but to be fair, i’d like to hear more from him. Hopefully, we’ll get some good stuff soon. Cautiously interested but guarded…………whoa, there’s a pun!

by mikesequim on Jul 5, 2011 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had a dream

Last night I dreamed that John Calipari had taken an unexpected turn toward morality.
“From now on,” he told a press conference,“I will only recruit kids who have grown up with both parents and with a dad who has supported his family throughout the years. I’m sick and tired of having to buy bouquets for these fat beehives, just to woo their kids.”
In short, Katin, John Calipari may want you—for one season.

by fungor on Jul 5, 2011 4:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Really?

Nice popshot at single moms you ignorant jack! I don’t claim to know your past, but I know mine…and am securely confident with where it got me. Did I miss something?!

by jomogolfpro on Jul 10, 2011 12:41 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Seriously

I still can’t tell exactly what he was going for, but it definitely seems like the comment had some ugly connotations…

by CLT_ZagsFan on Jul 13, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I THINK Fungor was illustrating what a douche Cal is

   He will sell his soul, identify with, and try to make righteous of a satan worshipping family if he believes it will advance his career…
    That said, as a product of a single parent home,, it is wrong to "lump in " all single parent homes… many have honor and integrity, many don’t,,same as two parent homes…a little deep, I know, for a basketball site, but I believe Fungor meant no ill will to single moms doing their best.

by mattzag72 on Jul 14, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

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