Gonzaga's wing conundrum and Bryce Jones
As I watched Gonzaga close out their 2010-11 season, I began writing down some of the bigger themes that I could think of over the past twelve or so months. Last offseason was crazy in and of itself with the late recruiting additions and the transfers that coincided with them. The season began with a pretty hefty thud as the Zags stumbled out of gates and things were rocky at best until the stretch run of the WCC. As I look back now and evaluate the individual positions and how each player progressed this season, I happen to notice that a current transfer rumor falls in line with one of my biggest issues of the recently concluded season.
Gonzaga's play at the small forward position was so inconsistent that Mike Hart was the chief backup to Steven Gray as the Zags made their run to a WCC crown. Regardless of your feelings on Hart, there isn't a soul who thought he would overtake Mangisto Arop, Mathis Moenninghoff, and Mathis Keita in the rotation. Not a soul. The three previously mentioned scholarship players (and Mike Hart, for that matter) were virtually invisible on the offensive end. In fact, Mangisto Arop had the highest % of Possessions used while on the court at 16.6%. If you aren't familiar with this metric, % of possessions used basically measures how many possessions a player "ends" by making/missing a shot or turning the ball over. In essence, it is a solid measure of what offensive impact (whether good or bad) a player has on the team. At 16.6%, that puts Manny as a role player...barely. Moenninghoff and Keita were both below Manny's mark but, to compare, Kelly Olynyk managed to use 22.2% of the possessions in which he was on the court.
The above paragraph is a long-winded way of saying that Gonzaga got little from their wings this past season. How convenient it is that 6'5'' wing Bryce Jones happens to be on the market as a potential transfer and, oh yeah, he happens to be visiting on the weekend of April 22nd. Read on for why Jones' aggressive style of play may be exactly what the doctor ordered for the Zags.
We've pondered why Manny, Mathis, and Mathis didn't get more minutes down the stretch. This has been discussed ad nauseam. Everyone that has argued for one of these three to get more minutes has to admit that, while they all had flashes, there was so much left to be desired. In truth, my mind still can't get wrapped around the season Mangisto Arop had. While he is so effective on defense, as a rebounder; his ability to disappear on offense really killed this team at certain points of the season, specifically at USF. Without belaboring the point, the Mathises both had similar seasons. Moments where you thought they should be starting and moments when you wondered how they made their way across the pond. While all three, particularly Mathis and Mathis, still have time to develop, their inability to get off the bench late in the season is troublesome.As we turn our attention to the recent revelation that USC transfer Bryce Jones was not only considering Gonzaga but he has scheduled a visit, many fans have struggled with the "why". The answer to this question should be as clear as day.
At this moment, Gonzaga does not have an effective small forward. While Bryce would have to sit out a season, the staff can not sit around while there is an extremely talented prospect available. In 18 games for the Trojans, Jones averaged eight points a game and had seven games in double figures, as a freshman. Unlike Gonzaga's trio of wings, Jones erred on the aggressive side. He "used" 24.5% of the possessions in which he was on the floor. He averaged 21 minutes a game but when conference play began, he experienced a Mangisto Arop-like decline in minutes. This decline, along with some off-court issues caused Jones to pursue a transfer.
The scouting report on Jones is this: Coming out of high school he was the 14th best small forward in the country by Scout.com. Greg Hicks, the one man who covers West Coast recruiting exclusively, ranked him the top SF on the West Cost. Jones is described as a prototypical wing with great length who's biggest strength is his ability to slash to the hoop but can also play with his back to the basket. He has the ability to step back and hit the deep jumper but this is definitely an area where he has room to improve. Defensively, when I watched the Trojans play, he seemed to do a nice job defending the ball but picked up a number of overzealous fouls and got a bit sloppy in transition.
Before this devolves into a thread discussing his off-court issues, I think we can all rest assured that the staff will do their due diligence with Jones. His two "red flags" of punching a teammate and getting into a verbal altercation with an RA are both things that I am sure Coach Few and the staff will cover when he visits. Many times, players just need a change of scenery, particularly when their first school is one that is close to home. This is not meant to be an excuse for his off-court troubles but I'd rather judge his "fit" on the court and let the staff worry about Bryce's character.
We'll worry about the scholarship situation once Bryce chooses his destination. It is worth mentioning that UNLV's odds of landing Jones took a big hit when Lon Kruger decided to accept the Oklahoma job. Jones will likely decide between Gonzaga and San Diego State unless something unusual happens.
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In order to compete nationally (like, legitimately and not for pretend)...
Gonzaga needs players like Bryce Jones. Question is, does it want to go down that road?
As long as he goes to class, I’ve got no problems with him. “Zag Material” is a lame message board construction anyways.
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All things considered
I’m sold on at least giving him a shot. Not only is he extremely talented, but he fits several needs (defense, wing offense, playmaker). I really hope he gets a shot at Gonzaga, lord knows they could really use the help come tourney time.
Scholarship
If he comes to Gonzaga, does he use up a scholly the season he sits? If he does, I hope to hell it is worth it!
Starting to see that recruiting is basically nothing more than a crap shoot. Arop is the answer, recruit him! The M&Ms are the answer recruit them! Villarino, Kong, ect,ect,ect.
This guy must be something special if we are considering wasting a scholly for one year to get him. I don’t want the staff to give up but sheesh, maybe it would be best to just put it on RED!
Its gonna be gLoRiOUS!!~
Yes
he’ll use a scholarship. The fact that Gonzaga is even remotely interested in Bryce should tell you that, for another year, the scholarship situation will “work itself out”. Take that how you will.
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Manny
will be gone. If I was an odds-setter, I’d put it at 80% that he goes.
Also, if he ends up coming here, can we redshirt him that year he sits out?
by i_am_a_ZAG on Apr 5, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes
He’ll sit out a year as a redshirt and be a redshirt sophomore in 2012-13.
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This is what I said yesterday
The fact that the staff is bringing him in for a visit is a major indicator that someone or somebodies are on their way out. ( I too would guess Manny or MK) My guess is the player(s) have talked to Few and they will anounce it when the semester ends like last year. There is no way they bring this kid in for a visit with no scholarship opening.
As far as the Jones kid, he’s got talent! On the court he can flat out play and would be a huge get for the Zags. I totally agree with Zach in the fact that the SF was weak outside of Gray (who isn’t a nature SF) He is long and a super athlete who can get to the rim. Needs to work on his shot but he’ll have a year to do that.
The off the court stuff does worry me alittle, but if Few and the staff feel he is ready to change his ways and they want him, then I say bring him aboard!
Go Zags!
Aside from possible "chemistry" issues...
I don’t see a downside. Give an incredibly athletic and talented SF a full year to know the team and offense? That can only turn out well.
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Eh
I’d rather have the staff taking chances than sitting on open scollies. Also, Arop and Kong seemingly did not/do not fit because of personal issues, not a lack of talent.
MM is a very promising weapon, and Keita showed some good glimpses as well.
I vaguely remember seeing an interview
that told about how the TEAM gets the last say in a players acceptance. If the coaches approve, then the TEAM gets to vote. Does my memory serve me correctly? Anyone know?
If I remember this right, I would feel a smidge better about taking a chance on this guy who seems like he has some anger issues. Especially since he will be banging around with players in practice everyday.
If he does end up coming to Gonzaga, and has to sit a year, it is looking like the year after next is THE YEAR.
Sooooo, next year is more of the same. If that is the case, REDSHIRT EVERYONE!! …Let’s go ALL IN for 2012/13!!~ haha.
Its gonna be gLoRiOUS!!~
Yes
The team can veto a player on his official visit if they don’t believe he fits. It has happened before.
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I wish they would have used a DELETE...Er, veto,
on Keegan Hyland. He was damaged goods before he ever arrived. Poor fella.
OK, I am outta here before I get into any more trouble….work calls!
Its gonna be gLoRiOUS!!~
I too
remember hearing that the players have some sort of say on who’s coming in.
And no don’t redshirt everyone. If Jones does come to GU (way ahead of ourselves) then he has to sit out next year. Bell must (and will play next year) and for that matter so should KP and RS.
PS- I know you are joking (some what)
I'll use a red shirt on yous too
if yer not carefuls!
Heck, I’d red shirt Slipperstillfits if it would get us a trophy.
Its gonna be gLoRiOUS!!~
I'll take a red shirt if...
it gets me back into college….but no more student loans!
Spangler needs to RS
He will be behind Dower, KO, E, and Sacre. I’d rather have him rs than waste a year like Keita.
I dont mind if he ends up coming here
But If he does that means we all know someone is gone Im just tired of players leaving, I know players dont always work out but since the 2008 class we have seen at least 2 players leave every year. Some of these players would be juniors or seniors by now and maybe would have developed, or maybe not, I like our players and upcoming players I just get tired of seeing multiple new faces a year and 2 or so players leave. And im not talking about graduation. I would just like to see a class that comes in together graduate together or at least play 3 years together (or if someone leaves early for the Nba) I really hope Manny doesn’t leave, I guess if it was keita I wouldn’t be crushed but I little upset. I just think the coaching staff fills up scholarships sometimes just because. (Keegan Hyland, Mattis Keita) I think its not bad to have an open scholarships if there is no one that fits at the time. Ive said this alot, and some others have said things similar about redshirting most of this class coming in (unless they can play good minutes and be productive not just play 5 to 10 minutes is a waste of a year and if it happens 2 strait years the player leaves) I will never change my thought on this unless we lose alot of players this year, I will bet this will happen every year until the coaches figure this out. Players just do not want to sit anymore and think they should play right away hope it gets figured out otherwise we will be talking about this every year.
by go lions @ go zags on Apr 5, 2011 2:04 PM PDT reply actions
Let's throw up a recent video and get a look at
Bryce Jones:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgH2R7P1ICY&feature=fvwrel
Is he well spoken? What do you make of his body language? Does this video make you think he will be a good fit for the Zag players?
Its gonna be gLoRiOUS!!~
If I didn't know about his antics of the court, I'd say throw him a scolie!
Nothing in that video concerns me.
Doesn’t change my mind about offering him a scholie. You’re talking 2012-2013 class. So there’s not another player in the World as good as he is for that year, not including upside? Donnie Daniels and Tommy Lloyd should be fired if they can’t find a recruit without the baggage in that class and go and get him….that’s their job!
By the way, gaz………saw the head Slicer and Dicer today! She say’s she is going to wait 5 more months with me and take a watch and see attitude. Been trying to be pretty good but I sorta blew it during the HSBB tourney’s with travel and med’s. Saw some neat pictures of my defect……………….No it’s not between my ears, lol………although some here would dispute that…hahaha! Anyway, I just don’t feel good about this recruit but like everyone else here, I don’t matter!
Don't fire Donnie and Tommy
Prospects like Bryce don’t grow on trees for schools like Gonzaga. He would be the best prospect since Daye. We were on his list back in 2009 before he committed to USC. My guess is he’ll commit to San Diego St, but him alongside Gary Bell in the backcourt would be the most athleticism we’ve ever had, and throw in Pangos with Dower Olynyk and Sprangler, I wish I had a time machine.
The video(s), (see link above post), helped me to finalize my opinion in this {possible} acquisition.
Try doing this…watch Utube vids of Sacre, Dower, Stockon, whoever else you want of our current team. Then, watch all the videos of Bryce Jones you can find on the web.
Without getting into any specifics, I see a huge difference in Jones vs our players.
And with that said, I will say that IMO he will not help our TEAM in the long run.
*Everyone give a shout out to the main man upstairs for Mike. We got us a reprieve/truce on the sliceomatic lady for 5 months! That’s plenty of time to regroup and kick arse!
Its gonna be gLoRiOUS!!~
Yeah, regroup and kick arse!!!!
Whether you are our favorite Mike, or our favorite team…
I was thinking about more publicized “problem children”, ie Rodman, Artest…. they only do well in environs of established leadership.
In this day of one and dones, and early entries. with Rob, Meech, and E, I see few teams better able to manage a strong personality. Throw in a more than secure coach in Few, not to mention established assistants….
If Bryce can succeed anywhere, and pursue his hoop dreams; and if any program can contain, and then expound, his talents and personality,,, I don’t know of a better potential fit.
You're entitled to your opinion
but there is no way on God’s green Earth that I am going to “finalize my opinion” on a prospect based off of several one-two minute youtube clips.
Does anyone want to discuss how he would fit in on the court rather than what type of diction he uses? Am I the only one seeing an issue with the current skill level of our wings??
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Discussing the need from a Hoops perspective...yeah, everybody knows that!
What your trying to do IMO is cram this guy down our throats as the only solution out there for the “hoop need”. Read what your asking. Your presumption is, your right about the kids fit regardless of his problems. Now, trust you on that and go from there! Sorry, I for one don’t agree with your assumption on the kids fit.
As far as the need for a wing…………Yeah! He’s got the talent, no doubt. I’m convinced there is 1 player out there for the class of 2012-2013 in the entire hoop world that they can get, without the baggage. So, get out there and sell your program! Heck, there’s a kid in Oregon that is baggage free that fits this guy to a tee, Jordan Tebutt. So he’s looking elswhere? Go after him hard. That’s my point, how many Joran’s are out there?
Yes,
I’m cramming him down your throat because I’m the coach talking to him and I am the coach that got him to visit.
I understand your opinion about his baggage. I’m simply saying that I’d be willing (if I were making any type of decision here) to do my due diligence on his background, have him spend time with the team, and if all checks out, sign him up. Players like Austin, Steven, and Matt are guys that can come in right away as freshman and play. However, Gonzaga doesn’t (or hasn’t show the ability to) pick and choose these guys each cycle. I’d rather get a guy that could come in right away after sitting a year out and make an impact. With this guard class coming in and some of the post guys we have now, this could be a very special team in a couple seasons. With all that said, we’re still lacking in terms of a prototypical wing that can slash…and I’m not confident we’re going to be able to get a Tebbutt-esque player that can come in and do it right away.
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After watching some of the '30 for 30's on ESPN
This does seem like the kind of thing that is crucial in elevating programs to new levels. I trust the coaching staff enough to create an understanding that while he can have a second chance, he doesn’t have carte blanche to act as he pleases.
I also believe that there is a chance he has decided to make an effort to change. Overall, the risk-to-reward is really good here.
It is basically his last chance
If he screws up at his next school, Gonzaga or not, there is no way another D1 team will take him.
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Or
Go to Mississippi State. Unfortunately, Charlotte got rid of Lutz (who loved taking good recruits with discipline issues) or he’d be a great fit here.
Wow, another Gonzaga fan in Charlotte?
I didn’t know it was possible. I thought I had the Gonzaga fan in Charlotte thing to myself lol.
by BulldogsNotZags on Apr 7, 2011 5:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
If someone leaves, we have an open scholarship for one year at least. Give the scholarship to Jones and he has to sit out/redshirt a year. That means that while he’s not playing in games, he can still practice with the team, probably will live with some of the other players, and interact with the coaches/players for a majority of the year.
If any problems arise during the year with the coaches or other players, just kick him off the team and you still have a scholarship to use.
In response to Mike saying that we could find somebody better without the baggage in the 2012 class…that may be true but we already know what Bryce Jones is capable of against competition much higher than the WCC (Just look at his numbers when he was getting decent minutes). There is 1.), no guarantee we can get a player of Jones’ caliber to commit and 2.), even if we manage to, there is no guarantee he will be as good as he is recruited to be.
I say if the players and coaches think the will be a good fit when he visits later this month, offer him a schollie! (assuming there is one available)
Does anyone want to discuss how he would fit in on the court...
From the few clips I have seen, here are my thoughts on BB ability, skill…ect.
Seems to have a good first step and great ball control when reversing direction, could do a better job of keeping his head up. Is def a slasher and does well scoring with contact. Has pretty good mechanics on his shot though it is a bit slow and has a hitch in it wich, I would guess, impacts his accuracy when he is a bit gased. He does not look to be a good leaper but has good leangth. Nice body control in the air and seems to have that “gift” of squaring himself to the basket in the air making him much better at finishing. this is something Gray lacked…really could jump but could not seem to get square and it cost him on his more acrobatic attempts. IMO
With his offensive skill set, I could see him fitting in very well, as the back court would be one of Pangos, GBJ and Jones that, to me is a High BB IQ, good athletic, and sound funamental group.
No clue how he is on Defense as most highlight clips are not centered around the exploits on this end of the floor.
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Yes, I am...thanks for reminding me
I did not finalize my opinion based on some 2 minute vids. It was based on videos, storys, articles and everything I could find to read on him on the internet about his abilities, as well as his past troubles.
I do see the problem with our wings, they suck, and totally understand why we are taking a serious look at Jones. He may be the answer and like I said previously, a steal. He is quite a talented athelete and if he can convince the coaches and players he is ready to be a Zag, he may well be as much of a boost to our team as say, Elias was his freshman year. So, with that said, I am eagerly waiting for his visit and decision.
Its gonna be gLoRiOUS!!~
Haha
Fire our staff for pursuing the #1 small forward prospect on the West Coast in the 2010 recruiting cycle because he’s now a transfer??? I’ve heard it all.
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Nope, there's more! I still have a couple of zingers left.
Been saving them up from my video archives of Ehlo and Heister.
Could we please
Refrain from using the term ‘well spoken’? We aren’t Kentucky gentlemen discussing ‘the state of the negro’. I don’t care how he speaks, since it has far more to do with where he grew up (and the income level of his family) than who he is as a man or a player.
by CLT_ZagsFan on Apr 6, 2011 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry about the "well spoken" term, I stole it somewhere else and didnt know it was a booboo.
Let’s try this: Does he HAVE a freakin brain cell? Is he capable of thinking past his eyebrows in crunch time?!
Better?
Its gonna be gLoRiOUS!!~
Gaz
Don’t use eyebrows. Grump says if I go bald, she’s going to make my eyebrows grow longer than they already are and make me comb them back over head….just saying?
wait a minute....
Isn’t it few’s intention to use Dranginis as a small forward from the get-go? That’s the scuttlebutt I got from an assistant, though I’m unaware of Draino’s ability to defend or penetrate.

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