Setting Up The Season: The Wings
by Max Mandel on Nov 3, 2011 7:00 AM PDT
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While the starting backcourt remains a question heading into the season-opener against Eastern Washington, the more interesting battle for minutes will be taking place on the wing. Although Gonzaga has had numerous talented prospects on the wing throughout the tenure of Mark Few, I would be hard-pressed to find a season in which there was this much versatility at his disposal. Depending on who starts at point guard, you could realistically make an argument to see Marquise Carter, Guy Landry or The Hoff in the starting lineup on the wing.
Before we address the three guys likely to see the majority of the minutes, let's take a look at two guys that I think are likely redshirt candidates. Although he made a surprising impact in a handful of games as a freshman, Mathis Keita is a guy that would really benefit from a redshirt year. He possesses natural athleticism and quickness, but a year to improve his basketball IQ and shooting ability would be incredibly valuable down the road for a player that could be a key contributor by the end of his career. The other likely redshirt option is freshman wing Kyle Dranginis, While Kyle possesses a strong feel for the game, he needs a year to bulk up and prepare his body for the grind that is Division I basketball. Even though he would provide another shooter from the perimeter, I don't think it's worth giving up a year of eligibility.
If you are comfortable making the assumption that the starting backcourt will be either David Stockton or Kevin Pangos alongside GBJ, then it's pretty clear that Marquise Carter is your starting SF. Based on his performance at the end of last season, Carter should be both a leader and prolific scorer for the Zags. Carter's experience will be a calming influence for what will assuredly be a young backcourt, and his ability to score will be vital when guys like Pangos and Bell have their struggles. On the defensive end, Carter gives the Zags a player with the combination of physicality and quickness that is necessary to be an excellent on-ball defender. With GBJ and Carter together on the court, it would give the Zags the best defensive backcourt they have had in a long time.
Where things get interesting is if GBJ starts at the PG or comes off the bench early in the season. If that's the case, then either Guy Landry (following his suspension) or The Hoff will start. Landry gives the Zags an Erroll Knight clone that can be the ultimate glue guy. Landry possesses elite leaping ability and can run the court very well. He has the ability to score from the perimeter and has all the physical tools necessary to be an excellent on-ball defender. With guys like Carter, Harris and Sacre in the starting lineup, having another primary offensive option on the court might not be a necessity for Gonzaga.
The other option apart from Landry would be utilizing The Hoff at the SF position. Hoff would give the Zags an elite shooter on the perimeter in the starting lineup. If Gonzaga really wants to play from the inside-out, then having guys who can hit the open shot are valuable. The Hoff has the ability to spread a defense when he is confident, but it will be interesting to see if he can discover the consistency that is so important over the course of a college season. Although it doesn't get much attention, The Hoff is an active defender that uses his quickness to get deflections. However, he is not the defensive force that Carter is, or that Landry has the potential to be.
Ultimately, the playing time will come down to who starts in the backcourt. I still believe that the most likely lineup will be Stockton, GBJ, Carter, Harris and Sacre. However, if Pangos proves to be the best potential option from day one, he could be thrust into a lineup that would start two freshman in the backcourt.
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Spangler
Where is Spangler in this discussion? He can flat out rebound and needs minutes.
by denverzagdad on Nov 3, 2011 8:14 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
He'll rotate with the bigs..
Can’t imagine he’ll see much time at the wing
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maybe I'm wrong.....
But Carter doesn’t merit a whole lot of time under the new paradigm. Spangler can pop from the outside as well as bang inside. The question on him is inexperience and how he fares in div. 1 game experience. I think before too long he will be swiping minutes from Carter and switching to PF to swipe minutes from Harris.
Spangler at the SF?
so you think Spangler will be taking minutes from Carter? That makes no sense at all. Sorry.
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Spangler is NOT a SF.
If we start Carter at the 3, along with Pangos and GBJ, we have a very small lineup that can be vicitimized.
right...
that is what I was saying about Spangler…or was your reply meant for fungor?
I agree about carter…though having a three guard line up for certain times in the game could be very productive.
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Spangler
doesn’t seem to have the quickness to defend on the perimeter.
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by spokanistan22yuh on Nov 3, 2011 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd quasi disagree..
While we would have small guards with Carter playing the 3, I think that may be offset a little with our big and strong interior.
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by spokanistan22yuh on Nov 3, 2011 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
If Carter is primarily a 3
who is the backup 2? I think that while he will see minutes at the 3, Carter will likely be the starting 2 guard (at least to open the season) with GBJ backing him up. Then, once GBJ hits his stride, Carter moves to the 3.
RE: Redshirts
I have a friend who is involved in the day-to-day operations of the team. He has hinted that there will be 3, maybe 4 redshirts this season. Sarbaugh, Dranginis, and Kelly will be redshirting. Keita is still undecided if he will or not.
I believe that Carter will be the starting 3 with Hoff being the primary backup. When Guy Landry Edi gets off his suspension, I think he will supplant Hoff as the primary backup. In some sets, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Harris, Dower, and Sacre at the 3, 4, 5.
Harris, Dower, Sacre
That would be a big frontcourt, I’d hate to be the other team.
Kelly the Red
I’m trying not to get too excited about the idea of Kelly finally living up to his potential. The 2012-2013 Zags are going to be pretty stacked if he turns into a major contributor.
I don't think
you understand the SF position in Few’s offense. Harris is not suited for it. Or come to think of it… you do but you feel he is suited for it. I suppose that is an agree to disagree gig.
Also, my hope is that you are wrong about landry and hoff…I hope that it is Landry starting and Hoff coming off the bench….and they get to the place that Carter comes in for Bell. IMO to have the luxury of a senior SG coming in for your Freshman…would be very nice.
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Harris
I’m not saying that he will be getting 35 minutes a game at the 3. Against some teams it might be beneficial to run a big frontcourt out there for a few minutes to give a different look. I see Carter, Guy Landry Edi, and The Hoff getting the most minutes at the 3 this season, in that order.
Our wing postion...
IMO the 3 spot is going to be fine. Here is why…Hoff looks to now understand the offense. He is 6’ 7" which makes him long and rangy. He is also shooting and hitting shots off the dribble. We also have Landry (when he is avail) who is athletic, a good defender and it seems he has picked up the system quite well. add to that, Carter is a 6’ 4" guard who can slide to the SF or would be part of a 3 guard line up. we will be fine.
Also…
Keita should not RS..he should transfer. Of course I have always been in the camp of “he never should have come to GU in the first place..” So that is not shocking…
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Before he graduates
Keita will prove you wrong. If you can’t see his potential, I don’t know what to tell you.
I can't
so there is not much else to say. But listen, he won’t prove me wrong. He is a good athlete and it stops there.
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Keita
I was never sold on him. I think people are deceived by him because of his energy level. He’s aggressive and always moving, but I lost count of how many times he got beat off the dribble when he was in. He might be vertically quick, but laterally his footwork was a nightmare. And offensively besides fastbreak lay-ups he has a ton of work to do.
He was basically a no show at the scrims
and did not fare to well during the exhibition.
I talked breifly with him after Kraziness and he seemed down. When I asked if he could possibly start at the 3 he said I hope so, but he also said he’s not sure whats going on. His body language seemed like one of defeatism. I told him to hang in there.
Would like for him to RS and work on some things for next season.
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Keita
is a prime transfer candidate. Much Like Manny. I hate to see anybody frustrated with the program but if he isn’t getting minutes, he’s probably going to go somewhere where he can play.
Keita
I would like for him to stay and RS. I believe he can contribute down the road. Although if he transfers, it would certainly make sense.
by i_am_a_ZAG on Nov 3, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mike Hart?
He didn’t graduate. He gave us great minutes down the stretch last year and his offense has only improved. All of the other guys are great but let’s not forget Hart exists. Mark Few pretty much removed the Hoff in the rotation in favor of Hart during the WCC resurgance last year.
by 1AndDone on Nov 3, 2011 11:12 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Did we watch the same games last year?
I dunno where Mandel gets his information or if he is merely trying to spread misinformation to opposing teams.
I would be very surprised if Carter and Bell didn’t split time at the 2 early on. I would be very surprised in Stockton didn’t see at least some time — if not a lot of time at the 1 — particularly early in the season.
The 3 position is a potential problem. Landry is the solution to that problem. Until he is able to play, we can expect to see a lot of stop gap moves to fill that role. Carter is not the answer — he lacks size and physical strength to bang with a lot of SFs + his defense is suspect — especially in the transition. Hoff doesn’t play D — not that I have seen. Harris was tried at 3 last year and not a successful experiment. Then there’s Hart — probably the best defender of the lot but oh so hesitant to shoot the ball. Personally, I think Hart might be the best bet ‘overall’ to play the 3 at this point in time.
Now if GU runs a 3 guard offense, which we have done in the past, Carter becomes a more viable option. Just don’t expect him to bang with the bigs down low with any degree of success.
mjc
Who do you expect to start at the three?
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Eventually
Landry-Edi by mid season.
Short term . . . hard to say. Hoff if he can play the D needed. Otherwise look for Hart.
mjc
mjc
Hart plays hard...
but he makes an impact because he goes 110% for the 5-6 minutes he is out there. That is not sustainable….it is helpful and I love the contribution he makes…( did you see him during the exhibition game…he was gased) but that is all the further he should be considered an option. Come in play like crazy and then come out….all IMO of course…
Hoff has stepped up on D..IMO…he is not a great defender..but neither is any other Zag…except Hart for his short bursts.
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you may be right
I never thought about it before in this light. It may be, Hart is going all out when he’s on the floor because he knows his minutes will be limited. He might well play differently that he knew he was going to be on the floor for an extended period of time. I should have seen this. That was my lot in life at one time in the distant past.
Where I’m coming from is based on his high school performances. Hart was probably the best defensive player in his league. He certainly has the ability to play an entire game.
You raise a valid point. Can he keep it up at such a high level for an entire game?
mjc
Hoff is an "elite shooter"?
Huh? He had 33 3s all year and that included 5 against Lewis and Clark (D-II), 4 against were against Southern (300= RPI) and 4 against Cal State Bakersfield. Add the 2 against IUPUI and that is half of his 3s against terrible opponents.
Against the WCC, he scored a TOTAL of 26 points. In 16 games. And he is a defensive liability.
He was basically relegated to the bench after the 10th game of the season.
I dont see him or Keita playing much at all and I see them leaving after the season.
Lots of other options at the 3.
I dont see him playing much at
Thank you!
Hoff is a great “horse” player meaning he can hit shots but he needs to be wide open. Thanks for going and finding those stats. As for defense, he has no foot work and does not effectively fight to get to his man. He is listed at a whopping 189 so the average point guard can throw down with him. We might see him in the beginning of the season but after December he will be situation and garbage minutes only. Next year if he continues to work on his shot, puts on 30lbs he has a chance to really spread the floor while not giving it up on the defensive end.
Horse player...
that isn’t true. It may be your perception from last year…but that was last year…I have seen a large jump in his confidence level and ability to hit shots off the dribble with a hand in his face. I think he will fare better than most ppl are expecting….
However with that said…I can understand ppl being skeptical of him….given what he did last year…or rather what he did not do.
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I was at Kraziness and watched the exhibition
and he’s got a quicker release and more versatility with his shot. It looks like he knew everything you just said and worked his ass off. Expect a pleasantly improved Hoff, I thought he was worthless two weeks ago and now I’m excited to see him play.
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Carter at the 3?...not so much.
Rarely, and only if matchups are favorable. He wants to play the 1. That will not happen but he will do much better at the 2. I don’t think he’s big enough for the 3 at all, long term.
Initially, I see Hoff at the 3, with Hart backing. When Landry is once again a go, I’d put him at back up, moving him to starting 3 as he gets up to D1 speed. And then…I hope he is as good as I think.
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I wish Harris could play the 3
but he seems to excel at the 4. He needs to be around the rim as much as possible. I don’t think Landry was brought in to be a backup. He was brought in to instantly replace Gray. Much like Carter was brought in to replace Bouldin. But in the meantime while Landry is serving his stupid suspension I think it will be Carter at the 3, and the same starting lineup used in the exhibition. Watching Hoff do anything except shooting 3’s last year just made me uneasy.
If you start Hoff
then you’re essentially saying that you would rather have him on the court than Gary Bell.
They play different positions
You might as well say, if you play hoff, that means you’d rather have him on the court than Dower
My personal approach to this discussion
Is that Marquise Carter and Gary Bell Jr. will start. I feel very confident that this is going to happen (and should happen). From there, you have two options:
1) Start a Stockton or Pangos. Play a true point guard and hope he can distribute and play enough defense to keep opposing teams somewhat in check. There’s your backcourt: Stockton/Pangos, Bell, and Carter.
2) Have Gary Bell and Marquise Carter be your starting backcourt and let a true ‘wing’ play 3. Then you have Landry, Hoff, Keita, or I guess Hart in the discussion. You obviously sacrifice ball-handling since Gary and Marquise are probably better off the ball but you immediately get more athletic and a boost defensively (especially when teams like Michigan State come calling). If the ball handling drop off isn’t that severe…I would love a backcourt of Carter, Bell, and Landry. Like, absolutely love it.
For as much as I do love option two as a fan of good defense and athleticism, I don’t think Few will start with it/do it for a prolonged period of time. Thus, I think option one is the most realistic so I agree with Max that Carter is going to be the de facto small forward at least to start.
Hell, we’ll find out soon!
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by Zach Bell on Nov 3, 2011 3:06 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Hey Zach
The post from 2 days ago is gone. If you can explain why, that would be cool. If you cant i understand. Or send me an email = )
Hm
That was weird. It disappeared. It is back now!
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I think
You and I are on the same wavelength Zach. I see #1 happening for at least the first half of the season. Situation #2 could occur once WCC play occurs and the coaching staff has a much better feel for its new players.
Quise recently tweeted that he had a good talk with Coach,
he started the exhibition at the 3 so you are probably correct that he will start the season there. Maybe the talk was about this exact developement? I have not talked with him for awhile so I really don’t know.
One thing I see, is a danger for Quise in that IF he does not do well at the three, and a back court of say, Bell & Pangos gets going, he runs a risk of being a man w/out a starting position?
Would sure make it harder for him to get his usual 2 spot back. But, whatever is best for the TEAM is fine by me.
Carter
Bell
Landry
Harris
Sacre
Sorry…..drooling.
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Two other things:
1. Great post Max! Good to see you at it again. The place feels “picked up” already.
2. Love the counter over on the left side. It seems to be moving fast, perhaps not quite fast enough though. Can you guys work on that? haha
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Quise is a 2, not a 1 or 3,
but I think he will start as a third guard. After the suspension, Guy will be given the opportunity to win the wing position. If he wins the starting position, then GBjr and Quise would compete for the starting 2 position.
Stockton will start at point guard, but Pangos may end up playing more minutes than he before the end of the season.
The Hoff is kind of a role player. Can’t see him starting. Would rather see Keita RS than transfer. Could tell from the exhibition, he is at the end of the bench. If Keita stays it won’t get any easier, as he will have to compete with Dranginis for minutes after their RS year. Keita has a lot to think about.
Either Kelly or Spangler needs to RS. Spangler seems like too good of a player to sit.
by EnlightenedRogue on Nov 3, 2011 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Carter has played the PG position
for most of his college career. He can play the SF position at 6’ 4" but that is not ideal…as he is undersized, however and it is a big HOWEVER…Mark Few Runs the Motion/Flex offense that can be run just as well with two guards and a SF as it can with three guards. This is not directed specifically at you Rouge…but god I am tired of all the comments that do not reflect any understanding of the WAY GU plays offense.
The facts are, Harris would be considered undersized for a PF, so would Spangler, so would Stockton, GBJ….Carter can play the 1-3 spot and do ok at each of them. His D is suspect no matter who he is gurading so that is a wash…IMO.
the landry suspesion aside….The SF position should be Landry, Hoff splitting minutes ad Hart blowing in blowing up and blowing out…just as he does.
Also…interesting quote I heard from Few….he said “the most overrated aspect of college basketball is who is and who is not starting….” I say this to point out…what matters to Few is what you do on the court and your abiltity to earn the right to be out there (unless your name is Micha Downs)
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Landry-Edi situation makes it complicated
Hi All. Great to back in the thick of it. Several concerns. Seems to me that both Bell and Carter are more like combo guards than point guards. Better utilized at the 2 spot, with some time at the 1. Leaves the 3 spot a problem. Carter maybe some time there but not the majority. That leaves Guy and Hoff, unless Keita is more than most of us think. While Guy has to sit we might be wise to keep KD in the loop. His stats from the exhibition were impressive. Makes his shots from everywhere, solid D, and led the team in assists. I know its against lower competition but so was everyone elses stats. While guy is out I like Kyle playing some minutes in that spot. Hate to lose that eligibility but, in reality, I see this year as our best shot at a final four so keep the kids that give us the best chance. The early games are very important for seeding so we need to win most of those. Just one perspective from what we’ve seen and what the circumstances are right now.
This year is like last.
Manny was the front runner, as Guy is this year. Manny had a couple of good games, but wasn’t consistent. The Hoff got more minutes than he earned (which might have contributed to Manny’s funk). Keita wasn’t given much chance to earn PT at wing. In the end the team gelled when Quise became the third guard. I liked Manny and was disappointed how things turned out. I hope Guy excells in practice and after the suspension, and there is not another wing controversy this year.
by EnlightenedRogue on Nov 3, 2011 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Hope not a Guy/Manny mirror
I sure hope that Guy doesn’t take a similar path as Manny. We all thought Manny was going to be the man but lost favor pretty quickly with Few. Does Few lose faith in Guy because of his supension? Hope not because I think, down the road, he has the best skill set and size to play the 3 spot.
I think a lot of decisions are made based on practice
I feel like that’s where manny wasn’t pulling his weight. Too bad, i liked his game so much.
3-Point Shot
Max’s post was right on key. All the uncertainty is at the wing position.
Our front court is great, minus an injury we all know what we’re getting out of Rob, will probably get out of Elias, and hopefully continue to get out of Dower. I also feel like the point guard position is predictable (and I may totally be wrong): Stockton will start early on with Pangos coming behind him. As Pangos feels more comfortable and learns the system, he and Stockton will battle for minutes. Blah, blah, blah.
The REAL question mark is who’s going to score outside the arc. I might sound cocky, but I think our front court will get us enough wins to make it to the dance. What’s going to get us a higher seeding and/or some wins in march is going to be a mix of 1.) the front court we all expect and 2.)some traction outside the 3-point line. If Hoff, Landry, Carter, or GBJ can get us some points outside, then we’re going to be a real threat in the tournament. Hell, even some deep 2-pointers to clear up space in the middle is going to make a huge difference.
I’m really interested to see how Few & Co. create an outside shot and who (if anyone) can fill that position.
Like Few always does......
This season wil be no different than the last few. A lot of guys will be getting playing time early, and there will be a lot of different starting lineups early in the season unitl Few finds the roles that everyone will fill. Like Few always does. I don’t care who starts the first game. Everyone will be given a chance and the best players will be starting as soon as we figure out who they are.
Zag fan since 1992.
Carter at the 3.
Remember if Carter plays the 3 and we play 3 guards. Other teams have to match up against that also. It’s just not Carter in a bad match up against a big 3. It’s also a big 3 matched up to a very quick Carter on the other end of the court.
Zag fan since 1992.
This frontcourt depth
is pretty sick. Depending on who they are matching up against, we could see Harris, Spangler, and Sacre—a lineup that should be too much to handle for most teams.
to go along with your point...
totally agree….and that same point could be used to imagine a Sacre, Dower, Harris line up as Few knows he will have Spangler on the bench and a wild man in Mike Hart if need be….
I love the idea of High low between Sacre and Dower…with Harris stalking the baseline….though it would require Few to run the same first screen/hard screen motion offense he ran with Bouldin….not sure he trusts his guards enough to do this…..but sure would be sick if they got it down.
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Dower's passing ability
Matty I had a question, obviously Dower has the mid range jumper and the quickness to be an effective high low player, but how is he as a passer in a high low setting?
The beautiful thing about a high low offense is the ability to create that dump down pass as paint defenders rush out to the free throw line. It can be a beautiful against a zone, but requires a solid passing big (if not two).
I haven’t really seen him utilized in that fashion much and maybe someone could shine a little more light on it for me. I’d hate to see Sacre consistently well positioned in a high low and a big forcing that entry pass only to lead to 4-5 turnovers a game.
Dower pass??? Why?
Just kidding
If Dower gets the ball he’s going to the rack! Seriously, this guy will not be denied.
Now if he ever gets the kind of attention Sacre gets . . . I still think he’s thinking score first, second and third.
and . . . he seems to be able to pull it off.
mjc
To be honest...
it needs improvement…however I think there are three things he could do to drastically improve this. First is understand and USE the shot fake, secondly consistently take and hit the open j from the elbow….this will draw his defender to him and not sag off on Sacre and lastly, of course get good loft on the pass to the outside hand of Sacre and be deliberate without telegraphing your intent or the pass….
I do think it is fair to mention that Sacre does well to seal his defender very often only to be terrible at keeping him on his hip as the pass comes in….he needs to fix this as well..IMO
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Max
At the exhibition game, they were calling Guy Landry by the name Edi, as Guy-Landry is his first name (think my Zag-fav Pierre-Marie), just so you know as you are writing about him.
One more observation
Hate to add more contention to an already contentious thread but here goes: Another candidate for the three is Draino, who at 6-5 is both big enough for the three and can bomb from anywhere. His performance against Carroll was stellar. He proved he is tall enough to scope out the open man and hit him with laser precision.
Point I made last night!!
Not sure it should be automatic to RS KD. His size is decent and he could be a pretty big asset if he gets some early experience. Agree with you 100%. Keep the kids that give us the best chance this year!
IIRC they did say Edi's status might affect RS decisions
Maybe Edi will redshirt this year?
Maybe Draino will be on the floor?
It could happen I suppose.
mjc
let's not
look too much into the exhibition vs Carroll College. If Kyle Redshirts then he has one year until Landry Edi and Hart graduate and 2 years until the Hoff and Keita graduate(although Keita will probably transfer). It’s the best way to go. If he plays this year then he is battling for minutes with Quise, Hoff, Hart, Keita and Edi. If he is just as good he still loses out based on seniority. I think it’s a clear cut decision.
As players graduate, new, often better,
players replace them. It may be harder to get minutes in the future than this year. Certainly Andy Polling and Grant Gibb thought they would get more minutes after they redshirted, but the new guys: E, Kelly, Manny and Bol, got the minutes.
That being said, I think Kyle is a better player than Andy or Grant, and he would benefit from RSing, like Sam and Stockton.
by EnlightenedRogue on Nov 4, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
This is
similiar to my thoughts on Quise playing the 3, well, sort of.
If the coaches put Q at the 3 and he does not do well, he might not have the 1 or 2 spots to fall back on. There is the chance while playing the small forward, those spots will get solidified in his absence.
Future minutes are never a guarantee.
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1/2/3 positions
No matter what hapens at the 3, Carter will have plenty of minutes at the 1/2. I think that you have Carter, Stockton, Pangos, and Bell to split the time at the 1/2 and then maybe sometimes play a 3 guard offense against certain teams. The 3 position will be interesting to watch. You have Landry, MM, MK, and Hart (along with Carter) all looking for minutes. I would love to be a fly on the wall during practices. The competition would be great to watch.
I WAS a fly on the wall
Well, as close to being one as I could. I was at all the summer scrims, Kraziness, and the exhibition.
Thought about finding a blue & red jacket, and then a Tailor to embroider “TSSFs” on it and ~Gaz. Maybe that will get me in.
Oh wait…..that will get me arrested, scratch that!
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Interesting comments from the regulars......
…but where is MikeSequim???
Lol
Comb the archives, there was a bit of a dust up. I’m not sure of the particulars, but I hope he’ll come back.
If that is all I had to say to get an appearance
woulda done it already! haha
The season begins!
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hope...
these comments mean you are here to stay.
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Give the new boys a break.
Look at Mickey McConnell’s stats as a freshman. (around 2.2 pts/game?) Do the same with AMMO. What would everyone on this website be saying about them before their soph year? They would have been made to walk the plank! Give Hoff and Keita a break. They were recruited to play at Gonzaga because they have something that the coaches wanted. Maybe they do not have the ability to score 20+ per game right out of the gate. They have only played one year. I think they will be OK, if they are not run out of town for not being superstars during their freshman year. We need role players (Pendergraft …) that fit the Gonzaga mold. That is why we have been so good for so long. I like the current roster and I like our chances in both the WCC and NCAA.
by Dakota Zag Fan on Nov 5, 2011 3:15 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Good point dakota
I thought hoff and keita should have split minutes 60-hoff/40-keita last year instead of 90/10.
I think they will both be improved. Hoff’s shot had a different feel from last year, and in my opinion were both shots he wouldn’t have taken last year.
Everyone plays
Don’t redshirt anyone. Play everyone. Keep shuttling fresh bodies in; that’s possible with so many interechangeable parts. This is the kind of strategy that can wear down many a team; making the last ten minutes a cake-walk as fatigue competes against fresh bodies.
Now, Fungor....
You know this goes against everything I stand for, lol
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