So, Is This the Year it All Falls Apart?!
There has been much anticipation in Zag Nation for the upcoming season. A general sense of well-being has seemed to set in. We have a stellar, and highly touted group of freshmen coming in, as well as the return of one of the best front lines in the nation. Add in a highflying wing juco transfer in Edi Landry, and a more experienced backcourt, so what’s not to like? Unfortunately, lots of things come to mind. Let’s roll up our sleeves, dig in, and get down and dirty.
Losses:
1. We lose our lone senior and leader, Steven Gray. He won the 2011 All W.C.C Conference Team Award. Sure, he was not always consistent, but he led the team in several categories: ppg 13.9, apg 4.0, fgm 159, steals 1.7, and also led in made 3 pointers at 71. We all know that he was very close with Robert Sacre. My concern is, how will his departure affect the team, as well as, how will it affect his roommate and best buddy, Robert Sacre?
2. Our most experienced point guard, Demetri Goodsen, has skipped town to pursue his calling on the gridiron at Baylor. And sure, he was not the best at feeding our Bigs and his three point shooting was non-existent, but there was something steadying about him. He was tough as nails and could stand up to athletic frontcourts when we had nowhere else to turn. He was pivotal in our huge win against St. Johns and who can ever forget his last second runner that won the game vs Western Kentucky?
Competition: This is the main concern.
1. BYU, our newest W.C.C. Conference foe is added to the mix this year. They are without the Jimmer, but have a lot of weapons returning off of a team that contended for the national title this past season {they made it to the sweet 16}. Noah Hartsock is back, along with reinstated Brandon Davies, who is a handful. BYU finished first in the Mountain West. They have an excellent coach in Dave Rose. It will be loud and raucous playing at the Marriott Center, where you can bet there will be 22,700 screaming fans. They rarely lose at home.
2. San Francisco has given us all we can handle two years in a row. They beat us in OT 96-91 at SFU. We barely won in our last match up in the WCC Tourney, 71-67. They have practically their whole team coming back. Returning are their top three leading scorers: Williams, Green, and Blackwell. They also return their leading rebounder, Caloiaro. Williams is their deadly shooter from the three and he hit more threes than our own Steven Gray did last season.
3. St. Mary's will be back, and possibly even stronger than last year. They tied with us for first place in the W.C.C Conference last season. They do lose McConnell, but return 3 double figure scorers in: Dellavedova, Jones, and Young. They have a very good coach in Randy Bennett, who is the reigning W.C.C. Coach of the Year. We lost to St. Mary's at home, 73-71, and won in O.T at their house, 89-85. Dellavedova, Jones, and Steindl are all precision bombers from deep. We know how much we enjoy playing teams with deadly perimeter shooters.
What I have written above is worrisome to say the least. I had to take off my rose-colored Zag sunglasses and stay off the Kool-Aid for this write up. If Gonzaga is going to keep, and add to their record 13 W.C.C. Title winning streak, and also keep our N.C.A.A. Tournament steak alive, it is not going to be easy.
Before anyone gets out the whipping stick, this is not a prediction. All I am attempting to do is bring out some of the reasons for concern, and I do believe many are justified. If you have a different take, great! Let’s hear it. Remember, there are no right or wrong answers. Nobody is going to get beat up. The season is almost here, so let's hear what's on your minds!
And besides, if things get out of hand Zach will come to our rescue...lol!
GO ZAGS!! ~
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I like your take on the Dons. They have been a thorn in the Zags side for a couple years now and return their key players+starters this year. Rex Walters is fast becoming a great coach and his players believe in him and they buy into his system. GU will have their hands full when we play them in Spokane and down at their place. Like all games before if we defend the three better this year against everyone and hold them to a lower FG#, we have a chance. Great post Gaz as always!
Looking forward to Kraziness in the Kennel!! Should be lots of fun. Go Zags!!
Thanks zaghawks!
So, who is going to step up and defend our perimeter?
Gonna be rockin the Kennel for sure!!~
Final 4 or Bust!!~
Also losing our top two Defenders
Very excellent article! Thank you for being a realistic Zag!!! You brought up some very realistic concerns. My biggest concern is that the two losses you mention above (Gray and Goodson) were our best two defenders. Gonzaga not being known for much defense, especially defending the 3-point line, this could really hurt!
That being said, Gonzaga has the talent and the coaching staff to win the league again and should do so.
Hey thanks,
I didn’t say I believed we were doomed. But there are some legit concerns. Who is going to stop the rain? Like you said, if we lost our two best perimeter defenders, my god man, St. Maries will be lickin their chops! Pangos is supposed to be slow and not very long, I smell trouble. Wait, we ALWAYS have trouble out there.
Can Gary Bell stop the rain?
Final 4 or Bust!!~
Pure Blather!
I’ll explain why in a second. I’m a tad disillusioned with this blog site. It seemed that there was more serious intellectual discussion in years past. I’m tempted to log off for good, before my feelings for the site affect my love for the Zags.
1. College hoop teams always lose players. Every year. We recruit new players, we develop players and all other teams do the same. How can losing Stephen and Meech possibly be considered a negative. What about the couple years before? Pargo, Heyfelt, Downs, Bouldin. Give me a break!
2. Competition in our league can only be viewed as a positive. The better it is, the better we are. If we played in a strong league, we wouldn’t have to be a traveling circus every Nov and Dec. Besides you are not even correct. There is no way the league is stronger this year overall than the couple of years past. Some top seniors have graduated. Stohl, McConnell, Sikma. Admittedly the league is more balanced with more teams at least competitive but I think cupcake games actually hurt a team. Playing BYU twice in my opinion is awesome!. We can actually earn some quality rankings points during league play.
Come on- let’s at least tell it like it is. All the cards are lined up for us this year. Even the Nov, Dec schedule is doable this year. We have a chance to get a high seed, which basically means no UNC or Syracuse in the round of 32. Go Zags!
by MdZagFan on Oct 5, 2011 10:21 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Md- You may be right
but you might also be dead wrong! I can see the possibility of the Zags finishing in 3rd place this year…If that happens, you would really need to see an MD, and fast!
Don’t go storming off on my account though, because I don’t know anything. Please stay and enlighten us. I like reading your fortune telling. :o)
Final 4 or Bust!!~
Who are you and what have you done with Gaz?
:)
On to your points:
Gray did score the most but he also took the most shots…and there are 4-5 major contributors returning this year with better averages and eFG% Meaning Gray accounted for 26% of our shots and there were others who would have made more of those opportunities.
Meech was a good defender due to his athletic ability and he played with heart. Loved Meech for this. That is where it stops for me. He was undersized, terrible on the close out, over-penetrated, had no understanding of passing angles or how to attack the gaps…I could go on and on but I won’t. The players we have to replace him are an upgrade…they will take a bit of time but nonetheless, upgrades.
BYU- Lost Jimmer. HUGE LOSS! This cannot be understanded. He accounted for 38% of their shots taken…that was 1 in the nation by the way. Having a player like that on the floor helps the productivity of all the other players. The level of play for this entire team with drop considerably without a superstar on their roster. their gym…yes tough place to play, 3rd largest in college basketball…but in the center of all those ppl is still a court just like everywhere else basketball games are played…and that is where the game is decided…not in the stands.
SF: Pretty good team with some good players coming back. Something to fear? Of course not! it is SF man…not say Illinois, Mich St, Butler, Arizona, shall I go on?
SMC: Will be good. I agree but they will get steamrolled by GU this year. When you have two pg/sg types in McConnell and the Cave man Delladorka or whatever his name is…then it makes it very difficult to defend the outside…not the greatest streangth of GU in the past…this made SMC very dangerous last year. Make no mistake, this will not be the same team it was. McConnell scored out of a balanced offense but he also shot 54% from the 2 and 45% from the 3. Very tought to replace all the things he did for the team. Jones shot 33% from three…that is hardly precision. Also we beat them 75- 63 the last time we met.
Main reasons will not fall apart:
The front court is a beast. With the ability to create match up nightmares.
The 3 spot can be manned by Hoff, Landry, Q or even Olynk and Harris…all depending on need. Nightmare for teams
We have multiple guards who can handle the ball, create their own shot, and hit from deep….and of course…feed the post in half court and in transition.
No rose colored anything here…just facts. ;)
Now tell me what you have done with Gaz and we might let you live.
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by mattydog73 on Oct 5, 2011 10:58 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
SMC stronger than last year?
so, they might make it to the NIT second round this time? Come on, McConnell is gone, there’s no way they win 10 WCC games and they could be a sub-.500 team. Think about it: Dellavedova and Steindl are completely worthless unless given a quality wide open look from deep, who will get them those looks? They had a player in McConnell that they won’t be able to replace, and they don’t have the talent or depth to compensate. Even with Mickey they weren’t a top-50 team, so what is there to be scared of?
We got hosed in scheduling this year, as a few WCC teams got their break in conference play at the same time as other conferences. We got our break at a time where we can’t schedule an OOC game in the middle of WCC play. As a result, BYU is playing at VTech and we take a week off.
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Jones, Dellavedova, Young, and Steindl
are the core that will once again make St. Maries a top 25 team. They have so many shooters it aint even funny. Heck, they have shooters just waitng for their chance, so losing McConnell will probably barely be a hiccup.
They paid the sched gods off, so what else is new? It just makes repeating as champs that much more difficult.
Final 4 or Bust!!~
St. Mary's, its possesive, not plural
They do have good shooters, and the backup point Holt actually had some flashes last year. Can’t believe you said losing McConnell could be just a hiccup. #14 %min played, #13 Offensive rating, #9 True Shooting %, #87 assist rate, i could go on.
Mickey was a HUGE asset to their team, and i believe he made players like Delly and Young way better because of it.
One thing is certain, they will be different than last year. But they have a good coach, and no matter what they find a way to make the GU games interesting.
If you can figure out a way to correct/edit spelling in comments
please let me know, but I do stand corrected.
I knew it is St. Mary’s.
Final 4 or Bust!!~
And since you are giving a grammar correction lesson
in your comment I see a missing comma, incorrect capitalization, improper spacing…I could go on, but I won’t because I usually could give a RIP about such things in the comment section. But since you brought it up…
Final 4 or Bust!!~
Love the constructive, respectful, and legit analysis,,,
from a “Glass is half empty” perspective.
I was in the front of the stagecoach on Steven, and Meech’s bandwagon…Looking back, both WERE good defenders, Meech, IMO a little moreso than Steven. Looking back though, neither improved enough to be much better than a top 25-30 backcourt..Especially after he hurt his back, Steven was not a consistent go to guy though he had his moments. Meech improved, though they were mostly marginal improvements, and as much as we love him, I think he had reached what he was going to reach here.
Even with our awesome front line, judged by many across the nation to be top 10-15 in calibre, we need a better, more effective, more explosive, AND more consistent backcourt.
Hardly things to expect from mostly freshmen and sophies…
Still, MD’s points are valid, many top teams lose seniors, and rely on dynamic young players. The question is, how GOOD are the young players?
Questioning this season is legitimate, but I believe we have extremely effective young talent in the backcourt, and they will mesh with the frontcourt better than last year.
WE WILL BE A BETTER TEAM.
We are a better team
And its a good thing because I think the WCC is much stronger this year than last. Yes there were some losses due to graduation and gambling scandals but on balance, I think most teams are going forward and look to be better in 2011 than last year.
Gonzaga will be challenged this year like no other. I view this as a great opportunity to really make a statement.
Yes, we really do have what it takes to rise to the occasion and put an extremely talented team on the floor.
I do think this team will struggle early on if we don’t get good consistent guard play or if the perennial pourus perimeter defense becomes an issue.
BUT
All things considered, comparatively speaking, we are loaded and deep.
Other teams may have a very good first 5 but can they match our depth? Is there anyone that can match up with Sacre? Can anyone stop Dower?
It may be tough, but I don’t think it will be as tough as last year — no body is going to stop Gonzaga.
mjc
We are.
Contrary to what you said about steven, i think his back injury actually helped us. I believe steven tried to take too much on, thinking he had to be the “leader.”
Several times i watched us become a smoother offense when he left the court. Steven is an excellent shooter, i just think he was turnover prone.
I think meech made good improvements, they were just more too late than too little.
If you look at the players on the team last year vs. this year, i like our chances. I don’t think we’ll be worse.
WCC is improving...
What are we afraid of? The WCC is improving as a conference, the days of the ZAGS steam rolling or WCC conference is over….this is a good thing, and we have the ZAGS to thank for it. Everyone wants to beat Gonzaga, they don’t want us to win another conference championship, or make another trip to the NCAA tourney..
We have competition now, this is not a two team battle anymore, bring on the competition! Maybe we will finally get some recognition as a conference.
I am not afraid of SMC, or SF…I would take Sacre, Dower, Olynyk, Bell, Carter, Pangos, Landry over Delladova, Jones and whoever else… Our players look scary to opposing competition as well!
last year we had PG questions/problems as well, we weathered the early storm and came out alright…I believe our PG situation this year is much more secure, just young.
JSH
I think last year was as bad as it's going to get
two three game losing streaks, our star playing hurt, and we still had people saying we were a final four team in March.
Not to mention SMC had their Adam Morrison, once in a program type of player, and still choked away a WCC title and proved they were a low-NIT or CBI type team.. SMC is going to crash and burn this year, try and talk them up all you want but they aren’t that good.
This is like 2 years ago when people on here were saying Portland was on the upswing and they were poised to take the WCC from us. What the f—- happened to that? lol. No school in the WCC outside of Gonzaga and BYU (who is gone after this year) can create sustainable success. First it was Pepperdine, then Santa Clara, then SMC, then Portland, now SMC again. The one thing our WCC rivals always have and will always have in common: they finish second.
So no, this isn’t the year it all falls apart.
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My Take
I honestly believe we will be a better team this year than last. Steve Gray was a fantastic Zag (one of my all-time favorites), don’t get me wrong…But I think the progression of our returning players and addition of our new student-athletes outweighs the loss of Gray and Meech. I could go in-depth on how I think each player will progress but I’ll just keep it to a few key guys.
1.) Harris – Will be back at (hopefully) full-strength for a whole year.
2.) Rob – Overall I liked what I saw from Rob last year and expect him to add 1 or 2 new moves in the post and hopefully improved passing and defense.
3.) Dower – Showed (in glimpses) that he can be an incredible offensive force. I would hope for more consistency this year however.
4.) Carter – Loved what I saw from him at the end of the season and I see him improving on his game as the season goes on.
I like what Pangos brings to the table offensively as a freshman, although I’m still unsure if he will redshirt or not. Defensively, I have questions on KP. I think GBJ starts form day 1 and proves to be a solid contributor offensively and defensively.
On paper, the WCC appears to have strengthened from top to bottom. I don’t see St. Mary’s experiencing much of a drop off and the addition of BYU adds a top 4 team to the league. I like what USF brings to the table and SCU can be a trap game in CA simply because of Kevin Foster. The loss of Transolini takes them from a potential #2 in WCC to 4th or 5th IMO.
My Take Too
i_am_a_ZAG makes some great points, as do many of the posts above… but I felt compelled to add one more point of emphasis regarding Big Rob - when I saw the guys scrimmage one night this past summer I was literally blown away by Sacre’s performance. I sat there watching him dominate the scrimmage. He was totally unstoppable. Well, maybe the other guys didn’t try to guard him that intensely, but it seemed they couldn’t even if they tried. Rob effortlessly made almost every shot he took (and he made many) and few of them were dunks. I thought: “Is this the same guy?” With that performance as my latest benchmark, I’m thinking Rob will be a nightmare matchup for every team they play. I predict he will be the WCC player of the year. Go Zags!
Dave, I saw the exact same thing in the recent Spokane scrims
I also remember a couple of years ago, during a “secret” preseason scrimmage down in Denver at the Pepsi Center that he supposedly scored 30 points and dominated. But, for some reason that dominance did not translate to the reg season.
Only reason I bring that up is because I still cannot believe what I saw at the MAC and am trying to come back to earth in my expectations because he was DOMINATING.
Seriously, he looked like a Senior in High School playing against Junior High players. That’s the best way I can describe it.
Final 4 or Bust!!~
We are better!
Holy cow Gaz, been trying to get some sleep but can’t get this post out of my head, so here goes. I think that if Kevin Pangos turns out to be as good as everyone says he is, including your own analysis from an earlier post, that this team will be unstoppable offensively. I am confident that GB is better than Gray, and I think that Carter comes into the season with the confidence he needs. Think about it, a top 10 to 15 front court with the players around them to spread people out, I don’t care how good the other guys are, they’re not good enough! My confidence stems from the fact that Bell and Pangos are not your normal wet behind the ears freshman, Bell has played against many of the nations top incoming guards and mixes it up with the Seattle NBA guys in the summer, he’s just not going to be surprised by anybody. Pangos appears to have had similar experience and I wouldn’t expect him to be intimidated by the level of play. Now I’m not saying that these 2 aren’t going to struggle at times, I just think that our backcourt will be much improved, and when you couple that with our bigs, we are a load for any team to handle!
Go Zags!
by Yakazag on Oct 6, 2011 12:16 AM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
This Gaz is a genious!
Of course, I may be a lilltle impartial but, He is 100% on point!
Look at it this way, this year you do not have your usual barn burners like a Morrison, Turiaf, Bouldin, Stepp, Dicau, Heytfelt, or Downs to ride.
You have two scubs that are supposed to lead your team to the promised land.
1. A 5th year senior who cannot jump, barely rebounds, and can’t pass out of a double team, any guess as to whom I am referring? ROBBY SACRE.
2. A 5th year senior junco transfer that is a wanna be point guard, who has the handles of a 3 at best. Lateral speed is a joke, with only one year in your system. MARQUISE CARTER.
These two players needed FIVE YEARS to reach this point to where they are considered your leaders. Good luck with that.
C’mon guys…..is this really what you are basing your National Title asperations on? And please, don’t say it’s your wings. That’s altogether another issue.
One more thing, I am not in here to bash. Really enjoy reading what is going on with you guys. Only wanted to temper what I feel is this rampant, unrealistic mindset and bring you back to a more REASONABLE reality.
I honestly feel that you will have a down year, face it, you cannot keep wining the WCC forever. I see a drop off this season followed by an upswing led by your splendid recruiting crop of Pangos, Bell, Spangler, and Dranginis.
Sorry if I pissed anyone off. Good Luck with your season
Also- My predicted order of finish in the WCC Conf is 1. USF 2. St. Marys 3. Gonzaga 4. BYU 5. Santa Clara, and who cares about the rest.
Just Curious...
Not sarcastic here…but what do you see in USF AND St. Mary’s that has them finishing ahead of GU? I see USF losing 3-4 games in conf. and SMC losing 2-3 with GU losing 1-2.
As I said above, I think the conference is improved, but I don’t see any team improving enough to jump GU.
And I don’t think this GU team is an Elite 8 team let alone a national championship team, but to say that two teams jump us seems a bit bold in my opinion.
While I agree...
That the Zags do not have a National Championship squad this year, there is still no one in the WCC that can match the Zags talent, especially inside.
I think its a pretty big jump to say that a reasonable reality for the GU is them doing way worse than they have done the last 13 years.. Yes, the competition is better, but people have been saying that for years now and GU still wins (or ties for the win) the conference.
From my point of view St. Mary’s losses are much bigger than GU’s losses. McConnell made the Gaels go last year, and I dont think they have the guns to replace him.
That said, I see the WCC being something like this: 1. Gonzaga 2. BYU 3. USF 4.St. Marys 5-9. Everyone else.
Like many others, my wildcard team is USF. They have the potential and experience to surprise people.
So tell us about something you know about
Who are the new Gaels? What should we expect from them?
mjc
Ok, now we are getting somewhere, imagine, a poster who actually likes to discuss something tangible, nice.
The “new Gaels” are not really all that new. We only lost McConnell, admittedly a great player. We return everyone else. In back court Dellavedova, whom loves hitting threes over smaller guards, returns after playing on the Australian National team, bigger and stronger than ever. SMU transfer Paul McCoy who ave. 13.4 and is a lock down defender is going to pester pg’s allowing the larger DOVA to play the two, he is lights out from deep also. And Steindel shoots 42.3% from deep, I am sure you will love to hear that, Holt is quite the shooter too. Everyone is back in front court, MItchell Young ave over 10 points and 5 boards while playing only 20 mins per game. Rob Jones returns and is a beast. He is on some preseason watch lists. Did I mention he shoots the three too? I know this is a GU board, so I will not go into any further dtail but you asked. To finish, I expect we will not miss a beat from last years team that tied you for the WCC title and beat you once and took you to OT in another. I am more concerned with how we match up with SFU to tell you the truth. I had earlier predicted we would come in second to them, but I feel we will be on the right side of the bubble in this years dance too. Good luck with your season. So, quidveritas, I hope this is what you were looking for?
Gaelfan..
As a reader and sometimes poster who likes to hear what others honestly think and have discussion about it, please do not let some of the comments on this board drive you away from this site.
While I dislike St. Mary’s as much as the next GU fan, a new perspective is never a bad one.
Even if I think you may be wrong in your prediction.. hahaha
I also have a question for you. You say that you don’t think St. Mary’s will miss a beat without McConnell, but I feel that he was a huge part of your team that created most of your offense and you will miss him greatly, and it will show. So, that said, who do you feel is going to pick up the slack left from McConnell leaving? Is it all on Dellavadova and Jones?
Dova & Jones are key
But we also expect a lot from the SMU transfer McCoy. Thanks for being civil. A couple others were too, and I applaud them also.
Like I said prior, I will not get into it with rude posters. I expect to take fire, I get it. But, I am suposed to be “welcome” here too.
Good luck with your season, Go Gaels!
Gaelfan is the funniest dude on the planet (though I'm not sure which planet)!
First of all, you meant to indicate that you were NOT impartial (being a Gaelfan), instead of indicating you “…may be a lilltle (sic) impartial…” Also, you indicate that Gonzaga has “two ____ that are supposed to lead your team to the promised land.” (I’m not retyping that word because it has several meanings, none of which describe any Zag basketball player, but simply expose to all of us what kind of person you really are.) So the real deal is that Sacre will dominate this season. It may have taken him 5 years, given injuries, etc. but your silly words will not stop him. And as for Carter, he did have a very slow transition from JC to Div1, but he eventually “got it” and earned WCC Tournament MVP. Are you from a planet that has never seen the game of basketball played by talented athletes? Go Zags!
Dave-
I meant to indicate that I was impartial. I made some spelling errors. I meant to type “scrubs” and that is how I feel about those two players.
My wife does not consider me too funny although she too at times seems to think i am from another planet.
And you post that because of the above you know the kind of person I am, and that I am silly.
Back to my planet. Please Dave, do not follow.
Gaelfan... there is nothing about you that is impartial
What you have proven is that you truly are from another planet, and rest assured, I won’t be following you there. And I stand corrected with my use of the word “silly” in describing your words… they are not silly, they are simply meaningless. Go Zags!
Ok, ok
We all love our Zags, and we get that you are trying to show just how much but…why the nastiness and insults? I tend to enjoy some back and forth. I do not think he needed to be bludgeoned… just yet.
Let’s play with our new toy for awhile. At least until it stops squeeking, sheesh. {kidding}
Final 4 or Bust!!~
Gaz, who are you referring to?
Gaelfan used the word scub… that is a very nasty word… Nadingo now knows what it means and he said “WOW, he’d wished he’d never looked up that word”. If Gaelfan really meant scrub, well that is an insult to Sacre and Harris. Just where in my text was I nasty or insulting? I simply agreed with his wife who sometimes thinks Gaelfan is from a different planet. Please tell us all why you think it’s okay for a guy to use either of these words to describe Sacre or Harris? Go Zags!
LIghten up everyone
I asked. He delivered.
I didn’t ask for an ‘impartial evaluation’.
I think its worth hearing what he had to say. Now we can see if it pans out.
Best of luck SMC — you are going to need all of it IMHO.
mjc
by quidveritas on Oct 10, 2011 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
two scrubs?
have you heard of Elias Harris…he is on a preseason list as well….Wooden award…you may have heard of it. How about Sam Dower? Heard of him?
If you don't like my fire then don't come around...
I am torn about the prospects of this season
Part of me thinks it will be THE YEAR. But, part of me is concerned about what I have said in my post.
We have a monster sched early, but it’s mostly at home. Will we take our lumps early, And then get some steam going into the Dance? Will our fantastic young recruits gell in time to make a difference this year?
I say this every year but…I REALLY am excited about this season, more than any other. LOL
LEGOOOOOOOOO Zags!!~
Final 4 or Bust!!~
I do believe...
that LEGO Zags might be the holiday gift of the season. I’d buy them, at least.
Just ride our front court to another WCC championship...
Frankly, I don’t care whether our back-court is top-15 or top-20, etc. All we need them to do is carry their weight and feed our tremendous front-court. If Sacre has improved his mid-range jumper, Elias is healthy, and Dower continues to develop as he did late last season, that’s really all we will need to win another WCC title. Let’s face it, St. Mary’s and BYU don’t have enough talent and size to match up with these three players when they’re on their game and healthy. If our back-court can minimize turnovers and efficiently get the ball to these guys in position, and occasionally drain an open three, that’s our game plan! We don’t need Gary Bell to score 15pts/game if he is just enough of a shooting threat to take pressure off of Sacre and Harris up front. We don’t need to have an outstanding point guard, just one who can distribute the ball to the rim and cover his man on defense. That is something we NEVER had last year. Stockton was a defensive liability and not much of an offensive threat, though he could distribute the ball respectably. Meech could defend, but had no role offensively. I’m hesitant to even comment on Carter because his advent came so far into the season and may have just been a brief step out of his mediocre shoes (I’m hoping that’s not the case, but I can’t rule it out). If we can get a player or two that can do a little bit of each of those roles, I don’t see a team in the WCC that can compete with us (unless they’re shooting 65% from beyond the arc). And even then, it becomes a war of attrition—can they keep their defenders from fouling out long enough to hang on to the game?
Zagnificent - GU Class of 2010
addmitedly you have a nice frontcourt buuuuuut
but Sacre cannot jump nor finish under the rim. What offense does he have? I barely see him even dunk. Foul and turnover prone too. Don’t think he is much of a rebounder for his size either. I think he os over rated.
Dower has very limited post moves and is so “lefty” it is almost a handicap, teams will adjust to this weakness. He cannot bang with our bigs,imo. I expect a fall off from him this year as teams adjust. kelly is slow and Spanler is a newbie and very raw, you might have something there in a couple of years though.
Harris is a heck of a player. Please give us Harris and that new kid, Bell. Then, we could hang a trophy.
please feel free to come back...
for some humble pie after GU steamrolls your Gaels. We will be happy to have ya. ;)
If you don't like my fire then don't come around...
And yet he is the best center in the conference...
Feel free to go check his lines against the Gaels last season. It doesn’t matter if he can’t jump, your defense can’t handle him…and he can hit his free throws. Admittedly, Dower needs to develop moves using his right hand, but he has great dexterity and potential. Since Samhan and Simpson graduated, the Gales haven’t had a single defender that can contain the Zags frontcourt. Unless the Gaels shoot lights out, the outcome will continue to be the same.
Zagnificent - GU Class of 2010
by Zagnificent on Oct 10, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Over rated?
He was killing teams in the NCAA tournament last year to the point where they had to consistently double team him. Plus, he’s a great ft shooter.
Cant Friggin Wait!
Gael fan has got my blood boiling! AHHH! I cant stand St. Mary’s and the fans, the most unclassy fans I have ever been around!
JSH
Did he really mean 'scrubs'?
From reading his several posts, which absolutely make no sense at all (but remember, he’s from another planet) I think he meant what he typed. Go Zags!
He does have balls, i'll give him that
Although i think he is a little biased, not that its easy to not be.
Rob is the best big man in the WCC, look at his stats. Ya he can’t jump (i really wish he could), but he doesn’t have to, he’s 7 f*cking feet tall.
Ever met
a Carolina fan? They give SM fans a run for their money.
From my experience
From my experience as a recent GU grad living in the bay area…they don’t seem unclassy. They certainly talk a lot of trash for a team that loses to us more than wins but I would expect that from any good rivalry.
The best St. Mary’s fan moment I have was after the 2011 WCC tourney final game when a bunch of St. Mary’s fans let me know that they were #1. Nice.
St. Mary's fans are just like any other fans
They want their team to win, i don’t blame them.
I got into a good back and forth at the 2011 WCC tourney with a couple but at the end of the game we all shook hands and said good game.
Good folks, i root for them any other time.
shook hands with the fans or players..
Im talking about the students, all 20 of them that were there in Vegas wearing there sunglasses during the game…little punks, hanging nueces(not sure if thats how you spell it) around bulldog stuffed animals and wearing Michael Vick jerseys…IDK just rubbed me the wrong way…
Obviously I expect trash talk, and it is a great rivalry..but SMU has nothing on GU..and they will never do in the conference what GU has done….I loved how I would walk by a fan and they would yell out #2 seed…haha, then we killed them in Vegas and they lost first round in the NIT…I dont even want to get started…I will stick by my view as a majority of them being unclassy…
I am definately looking forward to the BYU Rivalry…we both have huge fan bases…Vegas will be fun this year.
JSH
Except
rumor has it student spring break is no longer over the WCC tourney. Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t have the scoop anymore as I’m no longer a student :(
I don't know..
I think that every fan base says that their rivals have the most unclassy fans in the country.. All experiences I had with St. Mary’s fans in Vegas were lighthearted trash talking.
I mean, look at the way Gaelfan is being treated on this board. All he did was give a different opinion and is being ridiculed and called biased… But isn’t everyone on this board biased towards GU? I don’t know , I think its easy to call people that disagree with you unclassy..
The sky is not falling
That was supposed to be last year, but Chicken Little was wrong. I see a similar start to the season this year. I expect GU to struggle with the tough competition early in the season, as the young guys develop and learn their rolls. But as the season comes along they will develop and contribute in a big way. I think that is a great freshman class (not Memphis or Kentucky great but so what, they will stick around). As for the competition in the WCC being better, so what. I don’t think their is another team in the conference that will be dramatically better than any other. As a whole the conference is better and more balanced. I see that as a good thing, it can only help come March. I see GU winning the conference again (for what the 14th straight time?). Look on the bright side, Craig Ehlo will be busy in Cheney this season! As for SMC fans not having class, try being in a conference with the University of Washington. So GU fans just sit back grab a beer (or a glass of wine for the fancy folks) pop some corn and enjoy another good season!
Go Cougs!
Amen!
But I happen to like fancy beers. What does that make me?
I'll stick with my Busch Light
Fancy beers make you sophisticated, now as long as you don’t tailgate on a yacht with a cheese platter and those fancy beers that come in a bottle we will get along fine.
Go Cougs!
If you're going Busch
you might as well go “Ice”. It’ll get you there sooner, and taste just as…decent.
by CLT_ZagsFan on Oct 12, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
The Busch Light was just a reference to my Pullman days
I do still drink it for certain games (perhaps nostalgia or superstition), but I also drink the nicer stuff. I started making my own beer yesterday. It’s supposed to be a pale ale, we’ll see in about a month. Maybe it will make Busch Light taste good in comparison.
Go Cougs!
I only drank home brew one time.
The only problem I had with it was that not all the beers were created equal. I seemed to have gotten the three that had like 180 proof in them. Because he rest of this story is, well, kinda fuzzy.
Final 4 or Bust!!~
Oktoberfest was last weekend
in Charlotte, and the home brew section was killer. Amaretto, Indian Spice and Mango, Meade…Lets just say the next morning was no good.
The young guys might now, but
in the late 90"s it was Busch Light, and for someone reason everyone time we go back to Pullman we drink Busch Light. We might start with something better, but we always end up back with the Busch Light. Maybe just trying to convince ourselves we’re 21 again.
Go Cougs!
It's usually on tap
when they have free beer w/cover nights, at least around here. And for a flat fee/all you can drink, I will gladly take Busch Light.

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