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Player Previews: Gary Bell Jr.

Expectations are high for the freshman guard from Seattle.

One of the fun aspects of covering recruiting as intensely as we do at this site is that we typically have a good feel for most of the guys on this team before they even take part in their first practice. A perfect example of this would be the highly-touted Gary Bell Jr., or GBJ as we have come to know him. With GBJ being a priority recruit for the Zags since the beginning of his sophomore year in high school, he has been discussed ad nauseam on this site. Thanks to his considerable talent and tremendous production in high school, expectations are through the roof for the Kentridge product.

For those that haven't seen Bell play, or have never visited this site prior to this article, there are numerous reasons to think that GBJ is capable of making significant contributions this season. Bell Jr is a solid athlete with a diverse offensive game. He can shoot the ball with consistency from everywhere on the court and possesses the strength to finish at the rim against contact. GBJ has also shown the willingness to be an excellent defender, which he is capable of thanks to solid lateral quickness and a propensity to play physical. Unlike the rest of the incoming recruits, GBJ played against elite competition at Kentridge high school and with Seattle Rotary Select during the AAU season. Despite being the primary scoring threat for his high school team, Bell Jr. projects as a combo guard at this level, as he has the court vision to find open teammates and the ball-handling ability to create off the dribble.

Star-divide

While there is a lot that GBJ can do on the court, there are still some adjustments that he will need to make in order to reach his potential. Although this isn't a groundbreaking observation, the main part of the game that Bell Jr. will need to adapt to is the physicality and quality of play at the Division I level. As I discussed earlier, Bell Jr. faced some great talent in both high school and the AAU level, but like all other Division I recruits, he has never had to deal with the grind that comes with playing 30-40 games against grown men. It will be very interesting to see how GBJ holds up through the non-conference schedule, which will see him play against physical programs like Michigan St. and Butler. 

Along with the grind of the season, the only other potential factor that will slow down the freshman guard is the mental side of the game. How will he handle the struggles that he is bound to encounter as he adjusts to the speed and physical play of the Division I level? Will the coaching staff trust him enough to give him a spot in the starting lineup from day one? Both of those will be key factors into the development that we see from Bell Jr. over the course of the season. Although it's far from a bold prediction, I would be stunned if GBJ isn't in the starting lineup when the Zags take the court later this month. The two lineup options that would allow for this team to potentially become elite both include GBJ in the starting lineup (GBJ, Carter, Harris, Dower, Sacre...or....GBJ, Carter, Landry, Harris, Sacre). When this season is over in either March or April, I believe GBJ will have produced the best season from a freshman since Matt Bouldin back in '06.

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Starting?

I assume that Stockton will be the starter to begin the season. He knows the system and has the D-1 experience. Everyone is saying that Pangos will eventually start. Then again, Stockton has been written off by many fans and yet he still gets the minutes and does well for the most part. What will fans think if David starts most of the year and Pangos sits?

GBJ is not a pure PG and he will get his minutes as a 2 guard. Carter will be the 3, with Rob and E in the front court. There is a lot of talk about trying to go big with E at the 3 and Dower and Rob up front. But, as Few is more than aware, that lineup will get torched from 3. Not enough quickness or D.

Kelly still needs to earn minutes, IMO.

by SanJoseZag on Oct 10, 2011 12:10 PM PDT reply actions  

If you have such a great team, not saying you dont, how can stockton possibly start?

nobody wanted that kid. not one single D1 offfer. Not one. He is a walk on. I mean no offense, but really?

 what is he, like a nice little mascot or something, because of his Hall Of Fame dad? He shoots oddlly too. If he is your starting pg, uhoh.

by Gaelfan on Oct 10, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

How long is this trolling going to last?

There are SMC message boards, you know.

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by Zach Bell on Oct 10, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

are there?

I didn’t know they had fans, other than when ESPN shows up to see Gonzaga.

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by SoundPound on Oct 10, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I go to Bay Area WCC games when I can.

I went to the Zags v. USF game at USF (Ughhh) and went to SMC v. USF as well. There were more fans at USF v. SMC then USF v. Gonzaga.

I think it is a myth that Bay Area teams only care about the Gonzaga game. Those teams have been rivals for 60 years.

Santa Clara is hated by USF and SMC and those games are virtual sell outs.

by SanJoseZag on Oct 10, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's because it isn't as much fun when your team has little chance of winning.

I don’t go to watch pro boxers beat up on little kids. I am sure the seats were emptier when the Zags showed up. No one likes to see the hometown team beaten to pulp. No one likes to see home blood on the home floor. And the Zags know how to spill it.

So, bay area teams like to watch their teams in a fair fight and hopefully spill some opponent blood on the home floor.

The Zags represent an execution squad for the hopes and dreams of the bay area fans. But like any gruesome act: you can’t watch, you can’t look away so there are still butts in the seats.

by SoldierofZagistan on Oct 12, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

SCU fans

show up against Gonzaga, SMC and USF in that order. It really depends on who is playing well that year. The students like the show that comes along with playing gonzaga (espnu etc). But like you say, there is less incentive when you think you are going to lose, so SMC-SCU is not that tolerable for us the last couple of years. And, well, USF-SCU is a historic rivalry, but not much else recently. I mean it’s still well attended, but inconsequential.

BRING BACK SANTA CLARA FOOTBALL

by wake180 on Oct 12, 2011 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I imagine

One can only participate in so many “hey, remember Samhan and McConnell?” threads before the tears set in.

by CLT_ZagsFan on Oct 10, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

ZACH- I am so sorry, didn't feel I have done any "trolling"

In your “Community Guidlines” it states, “Trolling: If you are a fan of an opposing team, we have no issue with you joining the community. If you want to come in and bash Gonzaga, go right ahead but be prepared to back yourself up”

I have not really done much of this so called “bashing” that you supposedly allow, and thought I was welcome here. I tried to back myself up, ask Quidveritas how I did in a seperate fanpost. I have been treated rather harshly by some, but have not, nor will not respond in kind.

I understand that this is a “Zag” blog and expect to take some fire, if you will. But, that being said, I certainly have not been made to feel very “welcome” and that is OK too.

If fans of other teams are not allowed to discuss, counter discuss, merits of basketball in this blog, perhaps the "Community Guidlines " need to be tinkered with?

One last thing. I am a Zag fan. It’s just that I happen to favor the Gaels a little more. Not so much unlike a Coug fan whom also likes the Zags.

To answer your question as to how long this is going to last? It is not my intent to bother anyone to the extent they feel the need to show me the door. Once again, my apoligies.

Go GAELS……..& zags too.

by Gaelfan on Oct 10, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

You referred to Stockton as a mascot

which is ridiculous. If you’re making remarks like that, you shouldn’t feel welcome, because you aren’t.

“…I am a Zag fan. It’s just that I happen to favor the Gaels a little more. Not so much unlike a Coug fan whom also likes the Zags.”

It’s way different. WSU and GU are 70 miles apart and are in different conferences. That’s totally different. Come in here with name like Gaelfan and you’re going to get trashed, deal with it.

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by SoundPound on Oct 10, 2011 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have to agree with Gaelfan 100%

Stockton simply isn’t capable of leading a top 25 program let alone a D-1 school!

by montanazag on Oct 11, 2011 4:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

so, Stockton's a mascot?

did you watch any games last year? HE IS A GOOD BACKUP, NOT A MASCOT. Even for what he is he is better than most WCC point guards.

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by SoundPound on Oct 11, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

And there are plenty of D1 schools he could start at

every Big Sky school, for example. I’m glad you agree with gaelfan because you’re both wrong lol.

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by SoundPound on Oct 11, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Get out of here

FRESHMAN YEAR STATS-
David Stockton-4.2 PPG 33% 3pt%
Mickey McConnell-1.0 PPG 30% 3pt%

That “mascot” did more in his freshman year than the best player SMC has ever had.

I’d take him over whoever your starting PG is.

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by SoundPound on Oct 10, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

HAHA

NIT…1 and done…enough said.

JSH

by scotthen49 on Oct 10, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I saw him dunk many times this summer. Impressive at around 5’10"

by zag buddy on Oct 10, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why is everyone defending Stockton now?

SInce we signed the two messiahs, most fans have assumed he will ride pine.

Not so sure about that.

by SanJoseZag on Oct 10, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

everyone?

one post comparing he and McConnell’s freshman year and a post that says they saw him dunk? How is that everyone?

If you don't like my fire then don't come around...

by mattydog73 on Oct 10, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

whoa whoa whoa

Calm down. I am pretty much everyone.

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by SoundPound on Oct 10, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

perfectly calm

I am 73 btw. not 72…so you don’t get confused. ;)

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by mattydog73 on Oct 10, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why

are there two of you? Just curious.

by CLT_ZagsFan on Oct 10, 2011 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

to understand

you have to go see the fan post “what I want”

and no there are not two of me.

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by mattydog73 on Oct 11, 2011 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have zero problems

recognizing the differences of each poster. I guess one has to actually read the comments a couple of times to see the difference.

Final 4 or Bust!!~

by gaz-tastic on Oct 11, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

SJZ, if you didn't know, I was defending him against this:

posted by Gaelfan:

“If you have such a great team, not saying you dont, how can stockton possibly start?
nobody wanted that kid. not one single D1 offfer. Not one. He is a walk on. I mean no offense, but really?

 what is he, like a nice little mascot or something, because of his Hall Of Fame dad? He shoots oddlly too. If he is your starting pg, uhoh."—

He may or may not ride the bench, I don’t know, but I think he’s way more than a mascot and he could turn out to be pretty good.

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by SoundPound on Oct 10, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Personally

I think Zag fans are all too quick to cast aside players who have actually played D-1 ball for players who are totally unproven. There has been talk of Spangler starting. Over who? Or Bell stepping right in. Who sits? Carter? Maybe we go with a 3 guard set, but that’s just fewer and fewer minutes for Kelly.

by SanJoseZag on Oct 10, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

What is with the "Elias was fat and now is thin" thing?

It just keeps getting repeated. He was not fat last year. He was injured, and yet still looked explosive at times.

I think people need to understand that Elias is what he is. He is now 22 and his game has really not changed from that of an undersized PF. And before anyone says he is a great outside shooter, he made 18 3s all year.

He is a PF. A very good college PF. He is a TERRIBLE ball handler and will never be a 3. Who cares?

by SanJoseZag on Oct 10, 2011 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought he put on 30 lbs before last year

which was strange because they were moving him from the 2 to the 3…

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by SoundPound on Oct 10, 2011 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

As much as it pains me........

i have to agree with gaelfan. we all need to be realistic about little stockton on this site. He struggled against elite programs last year! And no I’m not talking about San Francisco. I’m talking about Memphis and the likes. He is a major liability on the defensive end! We can all agree that the PG postition is by far the most important postiion at this level and we simply have a huge question mark here?

by montanazag on Oct 11, 2011 4:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I will agree

that based off last year, he was a huge liability on D. 100% agree with you….especially against an very athletic team..Memphis….and others..of course.

The key question this year is, can he play well enough on the offensive end for 15-20 mins to counter this area where he is lacking. This can be done. You only need to look to Ammo for proof. He was TERRIBLE on D. He still is and it is a huge reason he is not playing in the NBA. However at GU he was a scoring machine. It offset. Does DS = Ammo? Of course not….but I think the concept applies.

Either way I think he will play some early in the year…though I really want to see Pangos and or GBJ running the point…..and I think it will come to that. Few won’t be able to keep them off the floor IMO.

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by mattydog73 on Oct 11, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is a really tired subject,,

yeah, he was ineffective on D, but the offense was generally upgraded,,, I have a feeling he will improve his D dramatically.

by mattzag72 on Oct 11, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

You might say the same about WALK ON running back and first year starter Dominique Whaley who averaged 6.4 yards per carry against #11 Texas last Saturday.

If I missed it correct me but . . .

There is nothing that says a walk-on cannot start; cannot be the MVP, cannot be player of the year. Remember Mark Spink

http://gonzaga.scout.com/2/54576.html

WCC player of the year (2001).

Gonzaga has a fine tradition of getting some big minutes from walk-ons. What matters is what the guys does on the floor. Nothing else.

mjc

by quidveritas on Oct 11, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Carter at 3

That would be a small, guard heavy lineup. It will be interesting to see how often Few puts E at the 3, since he seemed to struggle there last season. I think he’s most comfortable at the 4. E, Dower, and Sacre could develop into an interesting give and go lineup though (assuming Dower has a shot).

by CLT_ZagsFan on Oct 10, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

He struggled there last year because he was injured much of the year and thus played at a heavier weight and was not nearly as mobile as the year prior. He could play the 3. And yes Stockton is dunking, has packed on 15-20 pounds of muscle.

by RadoZag on Oct 10, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope so

I think E is good enough to play the 3, I just hope he can have the same impact there that he does at the 4 spot.

Is Stockton jacked now? Because that would be awesome.

by CLT_ZagsFan on Oct 10, 2011 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

15-20 pounds of muscle over a 6 month term? This is not possible.

Unless he is on steriods, which I presume he is not, there is NO WAY a fellow of his stature can gain that much, this soon.

Maybe 7-9 pounds of “muscle” added. But that is the limit of possibility.

by Gaelfan on Oct 10, 2011 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, thank you, "doctor"?

when people are young, and filling out, you never know,,,,Yeah, I have read supposed studies that say you can only gain x amount of muscle in x amount of time… BS, between the ages of 18-21, I put 30 pounds of solid muscle on, and gained amazing strength,, it is called late puberty. I put on another 40 pounds of “beerfat” over the next few years, but that is beside the point.
    Bottom line, be careful when you say what is and isn’t possible when you speak of other peoples’ bodies.

by mattzag72 on Oct 10, 2011 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

30 pounds over 3 years is not the same as 15-20 over 6 months

I back GaelFan here, i would be incredibly impressed/dubious if he gained 20 lbs of muscle over 6 months.

by berkie on Oct 10, 2011 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stockton

What people fail to realize is he was extremely sick and lost a significant amount of weight before the start of last year which he never gained back during the season. If your body has been to certain point physically, it does not take as much to get there. This to me makes his performance last year more impressive as he was never really 100%. Not saying he is the answer at the point, but certainly going to be an impact there over the next 3 years.

by RadoZag on Oct 11, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dont worry...

we will give you some Bell, when he torches Saint Mary’s.

JSH

by scotthen49 on Oct 10, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

SMC SCHEDULE...

… is a joke. Although they have not released an official schedule, what has leaked out is not impressive: http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/36316/nonconference-schedule-analysis-wcc

They play Baylor and some decent mid majors (Northern Iowa, Missouri State). Lose a couple of those games and SMC is basing an automatic bid on WCC wins against Gonzaga and BYU, and we all know what will happen in those games. I respect SMC and am happy they have became a consistent Gonzaga rival. It makes Gonzaga look better to have a noteworthy opponent each year in our conference. I root for all WCC teams in non-conference as it makes GU look even better when we beat them.

With that said, I am disappointing in SMC’s scheduling this year as the reason they didn’t get a bid last year was due to their lack of strong out of conference wins. Maybe people are scared to play SMC? but that just proves that teams, although still scared to play Gonzaga, still schedule against GU as they know they won’t look as bad getting beat by the quality brand that Gonzaga as evolved to, compared to a still “proving itself” SMC.

by Boudgezag on Oct 11, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

berkie,

in all honesty, the answer is SOFT. But it will get us where we need to be, for now. Gonzaga used to schedule like this. I applaud the Zags tough scheduling but we are taking the baby steps you also once took to get to where you are now. I think you have over scheduled and it has come back to bite you with lower dance seedings than you deserved. We run off many, many, wins in a row over soft teams and we get national recognition because of it. If we had a more adventurous schedule and lost a few more games we would be crucified in the rankings. So, why do it? We are a program on the rise, we do what we can to keep it that way. We also, have been built specifically to beat YOU. Until Few realizes that teams can beat him with consistent deep shooting he will continue to be vulnerable to a team with an emphasis on it. It tis what it tis.

by Gaelfan on Oct 15, 2011 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

SO STOKED!

Enjoyed the article,, I think I liked the second line-up, if forced to choose between the two that B. Bell proposes..
    E seems more effective at the 4, IMO, and Dower has already shown he can come off the bench and light it up just phone.

by mattzag72 on Oct 10, 2011 1:22 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree, Carter at the 3??

No chance, whatsoever. Or maybe Gaz was right, this is the year we fall off the earth. Come on, he’s even undersized as a 2. 3 is Landry, Morninghoff, Keito, or Harris, maybe even a little KO.

by MdZagFan on Oct 10, 2011 2:12 PM PDT reply actions  

"fall off the earth"

I said that??…LOL, my lord you can exaggerate.

What I said was, “FALL OFF THE UNIVERSE” {sarcasm}

see fanpost: Is This the Year it All Falls Apart….as in a question. Not a statement of fact. I know you were kidding tho.

Final 4 or Bust!!~

by gaz-tastic on Oct 10, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where do u think Carter played last year?

Mostly as a wing/3.

And we all know that Keita and Monninghoff will hardly get off the bench. Kelly is not a 3. Too slow and an average shooter. He needs to bang!!!!! Use your height KO!!

by SanJoseZag on Oct 10, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, while we are off topic

those are strong words for Keita and Hoff.
    Both were freshman. Neither was a star, but both had their moments. Both showed, in the right circumstance, they have serious skills that translate well into in D1.
    Along with the thoughts in your previous post, these guys deserve more respect. Who’s to say they won’t improve significantly? My guess is between the two, at least one is a solid, regular contributor this year.

by mattzag72 on Oct 10, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

MM & MK

I think that both of them showed some solid and brilliant moments. And if either (or both) learn what they were missing, I think they will also be playing minutes on this team. Also remember it is nice to have players like this if (God forbid) someone goes down. Remember many players have a big jump between freshman and Sophmore years. I hope that is what we get to see. Maybe many of our players will not be the go to person, but I would love to see all of them being able to give solid minutes (depending on circumstances). Some would come in for defensive play, rebounding, 3 Pt shooting, etc. I would love to see great team chemistry and a team used.

by zag67 on Oct 10, 2011 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

I see MM coming in for some sharp shooting and eating some minutes at the 3, with Keita coming in for defense and energy (if I remember correctly).

by CLT_ZagsFan on Oct 10, 2011 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

MK and MM

If they are getting any minutes, we are in trouble. Few is not going to play 13 guys and they are on the end of the bench. Few will experiment with lineups with about 10 guys. He will then go with a 7-8 man rotation. He does this every year.

Everyone says the same thing about Keita: defense and energy. It means nothing and it just gets repeated on these boards/blogs. Saying someone brings defense and energy is really a death knell for the player.

I suspect MK or MM will transfer after the season. Maybe both.

by SanJoseZag on Oct 10, 2011 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

San Jose, you either truly support teams in your area and are a troll,

or didn’t watch the Xavier game last year, when Tu Holloway was burning us at will, until Keita went into the game and threw their whole offense off rhythm, forcing turnovers and not letting them get into their halfcourt set…from previous posts, I suspect the former,,,whatever

by mattzag72 on Oct 10, 2011 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

We don't agree.

Keita is not as good a defender as people think and he has zero offense. He will play very little and I believe he will transfer/be asked to leave after the season.

by SanJoseZag on Oct 11, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

SanJoseZag - I disagree

What you are saying is that players cannot improve between their freshman and sophmore year. Accoring to your comments, if GB or Pangos does not come out of the gate as a blue chip superstar, then we should look at finding other players. Have you been to the summer workouts? I think that your concept is either the player comes in as a 5 star (and plays like one immediately), or he can never help the team I think that GU gets many players that are almost there and are weak in some area. The coaches and teams job is to make them better in the areas that they are weak and maximize the areas where the excell..

Both of them showed talent last year, and depending on how they have improved, they MAY or MAY not play very much. But you keep saying that if this person or that person plays then we are doomed. I think that many of us will say that if they have improved, they will play (maybe not be the stars, but able to help the team win games.

I am not sure who will start or who will be playing how many minutes, but I do believe that if they are playing then they will have earned it. Our job is to root for all of them and hope to watch many wins.

by zag67 on Oct 11, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

MM and MK

Few basically benched both of them once WCC play started.

In his last 22 games, MM scored 38 points TOTAL. If you take away the Bakersfield game, he scored 26 points in his last 22 games (1.1 ppg). He also had 5 DNPs and was scoreless in 9 of those.

MK scored a TOTAL of 28 points in his last 20 games (1.4 ppg), had 8 DNPs and was scoreless in 6 other games.

I just don’t see the talent that would make Few give them more minutes, especially now that we have GBJ and Pangos in the lineup. They barely played when we had Meech.

by SanJoseZag on Oct 11, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually

It means he is capable of playing intense defense and forcing turnovers while providing a spark off the bench and getting a few garbage points in the lane.

by CLT_ZagsFan on Oct 11, 2011 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hope Bell starts from day one at the 2

Sure, he will suffer some growing pains but I think in the long run we will go farther THIS SEASON.

Put Carter at the point, where he wants to be. Is that not what he played at Three Rivers anyhow?

Once again, nice write up

Final 4 or Bust!!~

by gaz-tastic on Oct 10, 2011 2:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Bell at the 2

What I wouldn’t give to have a guy like Micah Downs to fill the 3 spot this year, that would make the picture much clearer wouldn’t it. I love the thought of Bell at point but think with the players we have this year he may be more effective at the 2. In the long run I think Few will have some nice options with a bigger lineup and Bell at point or a smaller lineup with him sliding to the 2. I personally don’t feel good about Carter at point, and would hope that either DS or KP would step up.
Can’t wait to see it play out. Go Zags!

by Yakazag on Oct 10, 2011 8:11 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think Bell at PG will happen more often than Carter

Carter is a good ball handler, but he’s not great. I haven’t seen Bell play as much as many but the things i hear are good, and Carter got some PG time last year, even when he blew it.

by berkie on Oct 10, 2011 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

few

if micah was still here, few still wouldn’t play him :)

by jazzdelmar on Oct 11, 2011 5:47 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

reality check

reality check, guys. our starting p.g. last year was so poor that both stocks and carter looked good by comparison. neither are starters on a top 25 team. for the first half of the season, carter was unwatchable. stocks had a big heart but he is simply too small and undertalented. it will be a very long season if bell and pangos don’t step up off the blocks and man the backcourt. carter at the 3? with all the talented bigs on the team? pangos and bell are the faces of gu hoops the next 4 yrs.

by jazzdelmar on Oct 11, 2011 5:46 AM PDT reply actions  

why not have...

Pangos as Starting PG
Bell as the Starting SG
Hoff as Starting SF
Harris as PF
Sacre as C

Pangos and Bell are young….if they make mistakes they have Stockton and Carter on the bench to come in for them.

You have Landry that can come in at the 3 spot..

Also you have Dower who can come in for Harris or Sacre and Olynk who can sub for any of the two front court positions and possibly the 3 spot as well.

Also…
Totally agree…Carter is not a 3 and I think that Hoff and Landry will suprise us this year.

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by mattydog73 on Oct 11, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed MD73.

I’m on the same page as you re: Da’ Hoff. While I don’t think he starts at the 3, I feel he’ll be the 6th or 7th man off the bench this season. He’s 6’7", decent athleticism, and an elite/blue-chip/NBA type of perimeter shooter. IF he can improve his atrocious habit of sitting & watching on offense & actually grab a rebound, he’ll receive significant playing time, imo. He’s the protyptical player for Coach Few and his system. He adores this type of player i.e. in the mold of Richie Frahm.

I foresee Landry having an impact as an “enforcer” type on both ends of the floor, I feel it’s going to take him awhile to learn the system and how to play organized D1 basketball. His rebounding, defense, strength, & athleticism will earn him immediate PT, but no more than 10 mins per this season, imho. His time will come at the end of this year or next.

My only concern is not enough PT for one of our most talented, if not most offensively talented player on the roster in Sam Dower. Given our current needs(rebounding) and talented depth in the Frontcourt, I don’t see his minutes increasing much from last season and may be spotty once again i.e. 10 mins vs some teams, 25 mins vs others. Especially the fact Ryan Spangler is an uncanny rebounder and brings a brute toughness we haven’t had since Pendo. While I don’t believe Spangler receives more mins than Dower this season, I feel it will eat up some of his valuable minutes. Dower will be THE MAN of this team before its all said and done, but I don’t feel its next season — just not yet. He’ll still be the 7th man off the bench(unfortunately).

Kelly Olynyk is just going to have to prove us all wrong. He’s has the hype and lore of playing for his National Team, but I will still ‘believe it when I see it’ concerning KO and starting worthy type player. Personally, I think he is a tall, versatile post-player who can stretch interior defenses w/solid shooting & make a decent pass from the high post. What I don’t see is a player who can defend at this level(easy buckets, rebounds), play smart enough at this level(foul trouble), or rebound at a consistent level, especially on the defensive side. He’s no more than 8th or even 9th in this rotation until I see otherwise and hoping, wishing, waiting, he can come into his own as an upperclassmen.

Overall, I predict more mins for Hoff than expected, less for Landry than expected, same for Dower as reasonable expected, and KO being the same ol’ frustrating 7-footer who plays with a glass ceiling over his “hidden talents” we all speak of.

Keita will get a shot but just not enough of a skilled offensive guard/wing to really log major minutes. Terrific defender, underrated passer, and plays with intensity, just not a polished enough shooter or offensive threat to play more than 10mins per in this offense. Again, not yet.

PS —> I think Pangos starts from Day 1. Its a risky prediction, but its the way I see it.

by Baldwinzag on Oct 11, 2011 12:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Dower

It will be hard to keep him off the floor…but what a problem to have…hmmm Sacre in or Dower in?….maybe both! I think Sam will get enough minutes this year…he is efficient and does not need many to make an impact..imo.

Hoff…just didn’t understand the flow of the offense or his role last year. I totally agree that he needs to stop standing around…but on both ends of the floor. Also, the kid can really dunk! Hard to believe but he really can run the floor very well and throw it down….we need more of this from him this year.

IMO this team will be able to run run run…and still be able to really hurt teams in the half court sets as well.

Olynk…I think he has talent but like you said he is going to have to live up to it before I will take notice….he needs to “force” the coaches hand…so that they can’t see anyway not to have him out there due to his level of play.

Spangler…I love the idea of this kid…but I want him to RS. GU loses Carter and Sacre next year and to have Spangler come in and be a beast on the boards along side a Harris, and a very skilled Dower…would be a huge asset IMO.

If you don't like my fire then don't come around...

by mattydog73 on Oct 11, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why not have..

G Carter
G Bell
SF Landry
PF Haris
C Sacre

… I think Landry should play at the 3. He is coming off a very solid performance in FIBA Africa and looks like a player ready to explode. He is a player who has consistently improved from Jr. College to the international scene. We should not stop his momentum. He also has the athleticism we need on defense at the 3 spot.

I also think that Carter and Bell should start the year. They can both play a combo guard with Carter running the point mostly. He knows the team best and has shown he can run the offense. Gary Bell expressed that he is willing to to run the point, but leaving him as a combo will allow him to see more time. With Bell and Carter starting, this allows Pangos to come in and relieve either of the two, and taking up as the pure point guard. Stockton should also get opportunities to come in an run the the pure point as well. This will give Stockton and Pangos a great way to compete for that “pure point” job.

With Guy, Harris, and Sacre at 3,4,5 it opens up so many options for our 3,4,5 rotations. Dower can come in at a 4 and Harris can move into the 3. Or Dower can come in for Harris and a guy like Hoff , Keita, Landry at the 3 (or even Carter and bring another guard in at the 1, or 2). If we need to take Sacre out, Dower can move to the 5 with either Harris, or Spangler at the 4.

I love the options of these rotations. The one tricky part is where does Kelly fit in? He obviously needs to be in the rotation somewhere. Unless Kelly can start knocking around inside, we need to match Kelly with a physical post player (or 3) and a quick post player (or 3).

So I pose this question. If Kelly is on the floor, who do you all think are the best 4 players to surround him?

by Boudgezag on Oct 11, 2011 12:41 PM PDT reply actions  

also

I wouldn’t throw out Hart as a guy who can come in and play the 3. Or give Hart Kelly’s minutes if Kelly is being too soft at the beginning of the season.

by Boudgezag on Oct 11, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can give Hart Kelly's minutes

But you can’t put minutes on Kelly’s hart!

What?

by Nadingo on Oct 12, 2011 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is he dying?

I seen that happen to basketball players before. They just die on the court. Is that what you are saying?

by SoldierofZagistan on Oct 13, 2011 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly...

I don’t really know what I am saying. It sounded better in my head.

by Nadingo on Oct 13, 2011 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

WHY are we arguing about LINEUPS??? sheeshhhhh

The problem is not whether Bell will play the 1 or the 2, the problem is what OTHER TEAMS will be facing when he dunks all over ya aces!!!! (as it were)

gaztastic, as always, has it right: Bell is the best player in the nation. hands down. As far as I’m concerned he can play BOTH the 1 and the 2 – with Bell, Sacre, Harris, and Mourninghoff who else do we need? eh???

As for Gaels"fan": you are welcome – to root for the Zags! HA!!!! (wipes tear from eye)

Final point: Few knows what to do. All you second guessers don’t realize that Gonzaga has NEVER lost a big lead when Few is on the “mound” (so to speak – sorry, I used to be a pitcher! old habits die hizzzzard

/seriously

:0

CaptZagNazty!!!!!1Heyohhh

aw yeah
heyyyy-ohhhhhh!!!!!!
GO ZAGS
don't cha know it??

by CaptZagNazty!!!!!1Heyohhh on Oct 12, 2011 5:22 PM PDT reply actions  

this is a very odd posting

and I do not understand the humor or the post. maybe the rest of you get it. It sounds like jibberish to me. Is this for my benefit, or this this his way of code speak?

by Gaelfan on Oct 15, 2011 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Naw

CaptZ has little better to do while awaiting the season — he’s doin his best to be funny. We are all chompin at the bit in our own way.

You seem like a classy guy. Frankly I wish there were more guys like you from other teams posting here. Would certainly add something to the general love fest whilst we count off the days till the first game. I for one hope you stick around — no doubt you will get some abuse but hopefully nothing all that bad.

You will find much of what is posted here before the season starts, is speculation, hopes and dreams. CaptZ is somewhere between hopein and dreamin IMHO.

I do hope Bell dunks better than Pargo (during his first couple years) — it hurts my teeth when those short folks slam the ball on the back of the rim!

mjc

by quidveritas on Oct 16, 2011 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sheesh.

Everyone’s a critic these days.

by Nadingo on Oct 18, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gonzaga has NEVER lost a big lead when Few is on the "mound"

you obviously never saw the sweet 16 game against UCLA.

maybe check out the recent post by Gaz…. ;)

If you don't like my fire then don't come around...

by mattydog73 on Oct 19, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

You, sir,

just got trolled. It’s ok, he’s really good at it.

by CLT_ZagsFan on Oct 19, 2011 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Damn!

and here I just thought he was some sort of moron…..damn troll.

If you don't like my fire then don't come around...

by mattydog73 on Oct 20, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

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