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Rotation looks strong heading into 2010-2011

While there has been a little bit of shock among the Gonzaga fanbase since news of Bol Kong's departure began to emerge, the reality of the situation is that his departure will likely not have any impact on the upcoming season. In fact, the loss of Kong might even make establishing a nine-man rotation very easy for the coaching staff, with versatility and athleticism being the identity of the upcoming season.

Before I continue on with dissecting the rotation for next season, I just want to throw in my quick two cents about the departure of Kong. As anyone who has been a part of Gonzaga University, or even a fan of the school knows, being an athlete at the schools bears great responsibility. While losing a guy with the potential of Kong is difficult to stomach at this point, especially with the hype that surrounded his arrival, the Gonzaga program is much stronger and bigger than any of its individuals. Like Zach said before, I would like to wish Bol the best of luck with any of his future endeavors, and hopefully he finds a situation that is a better fit, both on and off the court.

Star-divide

Without Kong in the fold, I see a very clear nine-man rotation that could present the most athletic and "long" teams that Gonzaga has offered in the past ten years. While we have had numerous debates on this site about the logistics and qualities of different rotation options, I think it's fairly cut-and-dry that this year will offer a nine-man rotation, with many guys able to play different positions. While I wouldn't categorize this lineup as experience by any measure, I truly think that the potential is extraordinary. With all of that covered, here is how I would project the rotation to look:

PG: Demetri Goodson (20-25 mpg); Marquise Carter (15-20 mpg)

If you could combine these two guys into one person, you would have one of the most talented pg's in the country. However, with that option not possible, I still think this combination should produce an immediate improvement from last season. While I don't have any intention to get into a debate about the merits of Demetri Goodson at this point, I see no reason why we shouldn't expect improvement. In the one game where Meech was truly the PG on the court, which was the Battle in Seattle against Davidson, Goodson scored 22 points and looked tremendous pushing the tempo. With a higher comfort level with his teammates, as well as hopefully some improvement shooting from the field, I think Goodson should be a solid contributor offensively, while still providing solid defense.

While Goodson will provide a steady option defensively, I think Carter could be the scoring point guard that many Gonzaga fans are accustomed to seeing. He is certainly does not possess the speed of Goodson, nor is he as quick, but Carter can score in a variety of ways and will provide a great scoring option off the bench. I certainly expect there to be certain situations where Carter will see the majority of minutes, but at this point I expect him to be an excellent scoring option off the bench.

SG: Steven Gray (28-30 mpg); Mathis Monninghoff (12-15 mpg)

I will never consider Steven Gray the ideal candidate to be a #1 option on a top team, which is why I think this season sets up perfectly for Gray. There is no questions that Elias Harris will be the primary option on offense, which will allow for Gray to pick his moments on the offensive end, while being a dominate defender on the perimeter. With the toughness and consistency that Gray demonstrated throughout the second-half of the season, I think Gray will be the perfect second-option for this team next season.

While I am excited about what Steven will bring during his senior year, I am equally excited about what Monninghoff will provide off the bench. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Monninghoff emerges as the 6th/7th man, while seeing significant minutes at both SG and SF. From what Zach and I have heard, Monninghoff is a Micah Downs clone, with an even more complete and developed offensive game. When you factor in the thought of Carter and Monninghoff providing scoring off the bench, it makes you quickly realize how talented this team can be on the offensive end.

SF: Mangisto Arop (20-25 mpg); Kelly Olynyk (8-12 mpg); Monninghoff (5-7 mpg)

With the way he played prior to his devastating foot injury in Las Vegas, it should come as no surprise that expectations are through the roof for Arop. By having guys like Harris, Sacre, and Gray in the starting lineup, Arop will be able to score within the flow of the offense, with his biggest impact likely coming through his rebounding and his defense. I think with Arop starting on the wing, there is no doubt that the trio of Goodson, Gray, and Arop will provide the best defensive perimeter group that Gonzaga has ever seen.

Another guy I expect to see a huge leap from is Kelly Olynyk. I genuinely hope that he will see some minutes on the perimeter this season, as I think he is most suited for the SF position. From what I have read on Twitter, and reports we have heard, it seems that Olynyk has grown during the off-season. With his ability to score both on the perimeter and in the paint, combined with his excellent passing ability, I think Kelly will provide a tremendously valuable option off the bench at both the SF and PF position.

PF: Elias Harris (30-32 mpg); Kelly Olynyk (8-10 mpg)

Not since Adam Morrison has Gonzaga had a guy with the star-potential that Elias Harris possesses. After a tremendous freshman season, in which he averaged 14.9 points and 7.1 boards, there is no reason not to expect a spectacular season from Harris. Harris has the ability to dominate on the offensive end with his combination of size and athleticism. If he has been able to use his time with the German National Team to improve his offensive repertoire in the post, as well as become a stronger performance on the defensive end, Harris has the potential to be a 1st team All-American and a lottery pick in the 2011 draft.

While he will certainly see some time on the perimeter, I don't expect that Olynyk will only be an option on the perimeter. With his ability to take his defender away from the paint, Olynyk will open up the paint for both Rob Sacre and Sam Dower. If Olynyk can continue to add strength to his frame, he will be an incredibly difficult option to match up with at both the SF and PF position.

C: Rob Sacre (26-28 mpg); Sam Dower (12-14 mpg)

The continued improvement and growth of Rob Sacre will be one of the most important developments heading into the upcoming season. Sacre made an incredible jump in his sophomore season, averaging double-digits in points. The main area that Sacre must continue to grow is as a rebounder. Despite his strength and size, Sacre averaged only 5.4 boards per game. If he can add a couple of different moves to his post game, while also averaging around eight boards per game, this team will have unlimited potential.

There is no doubt in my mind that Sam Dower will provide an offensive impact from the day he steps on the court. Dower possesses the ability to score both in the block and from the perimeter. I would categorize Dower as the most skilled offensive post prospect since JP Batista. As a redshirt freshman, Dower will provide an excellent scoring option off the bench, while also using his size and passing ability to from a nice inside/outside game with guys like Harris and Olynyk.

Redshirt: Mathis Keita and Keegan Hyland

While I like the potential that both possess, I don't expect to see either making an impact next year. I have detailed how strong of an option I think Keita will be in a couple of years, but I just don't see much of a role for him this season with Monninghoff and Carter in the rotation. The same holds true with what to expect from Hyland. Working in Boston, I have heard from a couple of people that Hyland is a truly exceptional shooter, but is also a guy that needs some time to put on strength.

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I agree with the Canucks outlook ...

Olynyk did grow some as he looked markedly taller than Marc Trasolini at the Dev Camp when I was there. And you’re right, if Kelly can back 10 lbs of muscle he would be a great PF option and his mobility works for him in that situation. I’d like to see him more on the wing as well, but unless he can prove he can consistently hit the outside shot he may relegated to working the post.

As for Manny, I hope he comes back from his foot injury well. Something like that needs to be healed proper or it becomes a nagging issue down the road. Any word on his ETA from the injury guys?

And Sacre will need to start rebounding more. He can’t be that big and strong and only get 5.4 boards, especially in the WCC (not to say it’s a weak conference but if Sacre’s NBA potential, he needs to show that he can clean glass in this conference). I’m sure that he’ll have something more in the way of post moves for the coming season.

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by rbala on Jul 18, 2010 1:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Good Read Max

I like the way that rotation looks, and hope, hope, hope that Goodson will get it done this year like we want.

It was all just a dream...

by MasinMud on Jul 18, 2010 1:49 PM PDT reply actions  

My three things as of July 18th

1. Injuries. No team wants em’ but I don’t think Gonzaga can afford them. Everyone on this team (especially the front court guys) will have to do what they can to stay healthy and fresh up until the season begins.

2. Kelly Olynyk. Can’t wait to see him and I hope Max’s rotation is right. While watching Austin Daye participate in summer league this past week, I really hope the staff realizes that, even though these guys are tall, they can excel on the outside. My favorite part of watching Kelly this past season was seeing him bury a mid-range jumper or make a drive to the lane. Granted, his foot speed was lacking last season but I trust he has been working on that.

3. Meech. There’s no more Matt Bouldin to hide behind as the lead distributor. Whether or not you liked him last season, he’ll guide Gonzaga this year and will be that main distributor. I expect to see a completely different player this season who will have more say in the offense. I hope he grasps that opportunity because you can tell he loves the game and really loves Gonzaga.

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by Zach Bell on Jul 18, 2010 1:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Warned again. I better be careful.

Anyway, LOTS of unknowns and very, very hard to predict how players will turn out. We have NO idea how Dower will do or ANY of the new players. We all thought Poling would be great. We all thought Kong would be great. We all thought Vilarino was a stud. Nah.

So, while we can predict that Gray, Sacre, Elias and Manny will contribute, the rest is pure speculation. Did Meech make a frosh to soph jump? NO.

Meech is the key. For us to suceed at a high level, we need much, much better PG play. Our PG cannot shoot 16% from 3 and 56% from the FT line. If he does that next year, we will have the same problem we had last year. Elias will get double teamed.

by MallonFan on Jul 18, 2010 2:26 PM PDT reply actions  

PG

Carter my be the key. If Meech can’t perform it will be Carter we see in that spot.

Spudzag

by Spudzag on Jul 19, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

MallonFan is right on

I’m not sure by loosing Kong that makes us stronger. Kong could have been the starting SF or at least he would have been the first wing off the bench. He was a guy who we new could score the bball. If Gray goes cold for a 2-3 game stretch who’s going to step in and be a scorer? I’m not saying that we need to panic as Zag fans, and yes the whole is bigger than any one, but this was a guy the staff was counting on to be a major contributor next season. I’m sure someone will step in and produce that’s just what happens at Gonzaga, but will they be as good as Kong? I dont know.

As far as Meech goes, I love the kid. But people saying “his shot will get better” all the time is getting old. Bad shooters are bad shooter. Same with good shooters. Meech is a bad shooter, might he get better…I hope he cant get much worse as far as shooting. But 20% is better then 13% but its not good enough for a Top 10 program. My guess is that Meech gets his oppertunity early and if he isn’t up to par then we will see a lot of Carter. Few went after Carter very hard this spring and he absolutly loves him. I would love to see Carter run the offense and Meech be the spark plug like he was as a frosh.

A lot of questions out there about the Zags but I’m very confident that Harris, Gray, Sacre, Arop and the boys will get it done! Cant wait till the season is here!

by suzag on Jul 20, 2010 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can the season start now?

Great read. I can’t wait to see this team on the court, there are certainly a lot of unknowns but I think we are in for a highly entertaining and hopefully successful season. It doesn’t happen very often but I will have to agree with MallonFan’s analysis as well.

by ZagsFanatic on Jul 18, 2010 2:52 PM PDT reply actions  

I dont like being pessimistic but . . .

I think there are way too many question marks on this year’s team. Elias is a stud, but looking at the rest of lineup what else is there? Gray and sacre are consistently inconsistent, meech is consistently bad on offense, and I am not sold on olynyk. Dower, carter, and the rest of the new faces are question marks. I don’t think however that poling, gj, gibbs, or kong would be game changers.

While I think we are the clear favorites in the WCC, our performance in march may not be anything special.

by opooos on Jul 18, 2010 3:59 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Hyland

I don’t think Hyland will redshirt. He’s too much of an offensive weapon. Now this is from what I’ve seen and heard, I will let the coaching staff decide. I don’t know exactly how the rotation would be with him (a backup to Gray instead of Monninghoff?), but all I’m saying is we could really use a guy who has the potential to shoot over 50% from downtown.

In Few We Trust.

by d2zag on Jul 18, 2010 4:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed

With Kong no longer in the picture, we need a Stohl-like threat that can really spread the defense and create space for our inside threats. That is, in my eyes at least, the key to Sacre’s success. If given enough room and not double-teamed immediately, he can be a first scoring option.

As for Meech, I just don’t see him taking the majority of PG playing time. I think that by halfway through the season, he and Carter will share the time equally. I don’t have a tremendous amount of faith in a guys with such low shooting percentages and a history of bad decision making on the court.

As MallonFan said, there are too many question marks to make any grand statements of Top-10 viability or Elite-8 runs. I think we’ll know how this season will turn-out by early December. If we see a cohesive team and rotation, it could be a great year for the Zags. If Few is constantly juggling the rotation and Steven goes through dry spells, we could lose more games than our collective talent deserves.

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by Zagnificent on Jul 18, 2010 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Any chance we are going to see a more in-depth write up on Monninghoff?

I’m really curious about him and he’s probably one of my biggest question marks going into the season. I also agree with d2zag, unless Carter or Monninghoff are legitimate threats on the perimeter I think it would be unwise to redshirt Hyland especially considering Gray’s offensive inconsistencies.

by Zag Luis Obispo on Jul 18, 2010 10:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Sacre and Gray

Agreed that they are keys too. The only problem is that they are way too inconsistent.

Sacre completely disappeared in many WCC games. He absolutely needs to dominate the WCC if he ever wants a shot at the NBA. And is rebounding for a guy his size is really bad.

by MallonFan on Jul 18, 2010 11:04 PM PDT reply actions  

The Readiness is All...

If Elias would stick around for 2011-2012, I think we’d be a shoo-in for another Elite Eight, hell ,maybe even Final Four run….but I still see this roster as a bunch of talented guys who need this season to develop. Unfortunately, Elias will be a first-rounder come this time next year.
Anyone else get that feeling?
Gotta drop a Hamlet line here: "The readiness is all"…and, I hate saying this, but I’m not sure i feel it. Hope they prove me dead wrong soon.

"Gonzaga knows how to party...Jesu-WHAT!"

by Greg Talbott on Jul 19, 2010 2:12 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm curious...

How do you think the potential lock out might affect his decision to jump to the NBA? It would be hard to turn down the money, but I’m thinking he may want to stay one more season. I’m sure that’s just wishful thinking though…

by rappell40 on Jul 19, 2010 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

Boy, I’d like to imagine what would be a team of All-WCC starters…but unfortunately I DO think that it would be wishful thinking :)

"Gonzaga knows how to party...Jesu-WHAT!"

by Greg Talbott on Jul 20, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Meech

Pargo did not show he could run the team until his Junior year as well….neither did Ravio. The fact is, Meech simply needs to understand flow and that comes with maturity..that comes with time and I believe he will make the same jump that Pargo, Ravio and yes dare I say it Stepp made from their Sophmore to Junior seasons. He will not be the scoring PG we are use to..but he will improve…if for no other reason, he will be playing point this year…not some hybrid position that had Bouldin playing point half the time…

I think that to a point you are correct about Carter…he give us instant offense….and so he is important….I still think the key to this year is Dower starting at the 4 and Harris at the 3

by mattydog73 on Jul 19, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Frosh to Soph Jump? Or Soph to Junior Jump?

We seem to re-define the “jump” if the sophomore didnt do so hot.

We do not know if Meech will improve. He has been given every chance to run the team. To some fans, he has gotten too much of a chance. He is a poor shooter. That is evidence by his very low FT percentage. Shooterss like him rarely improve their shot dramatically. He is not a distributor. He is on the small side and he is overrated as a defender. He is fast. I agree with that. Im sure he is a good kid and he horks hard, but he is just not a high level D-1 PG.

Carter absolutely needs to step into the PG role. I though Vilarino would step up next year as a scoring PG, but he is gone to Appalachian State (the Illinois rumor was totally bogus).

Certainties: Elias will dominate. Steven will score. Manny will get a lot of minutes and be productive. KO will get a lot of minutes and do the little things.

Unknowns: every one else.

by MallonFan on Jul 19, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

The jump

Normally comes from the Soph to Junior year….Look at Morrison…perfect example of a kid with a lot of talent that made a HUGE jump…that came with maturity. My expectation of Meech is that he makes this jump…and if he does not then it is a must that Carter run the point….

I agree that Meech cost GU games last year with his terrible FT %….if that continues..and I am Mark Few…his arse is riding pine….no excuse for that…especially from your PG

by mattydog73 on Jul 19, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Playing time...

GJ’s Dad said GJ Vilarino essentially left because he wanted more playing time. I fail to see how going to mighty Appalachian State and sitting out the required year because of the transfer gets him more playing time. Seems like he might have had a better shot sticking it out here and trying to earn more P.T. I had high hopes for him too.

At least he might have had a shot at that this year. There is ZERO chance of any at his new school.

Looks like GJ decided not to step it up but rather out and on a different bench. Just wanted to get that off my chest. Fire away if I am missing something…

Its gonna be gLoRiOUS!!~

by gaz-tastic on Jul 19, 2010 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for that. I thought I was the only one...

who was wondering how we got better with what we lost vs what we added. I just do not see the improvement, and with Bol gone too?….I am lost as to WTF direction the Zags are headed and why.

With all of our recent success, plus the addition of Daniels to the staff, I thought we would continue to get better recruits. With the exception of Gary Bell, It sure does not feel like its happening.

It feels like Mr. Magoo is in charge and blind as a bat!!

Its gonna be gLoRiOUS!!~

by gaz-tastic on Jul 19, 2010 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL!! Yeah, but I really don't need the aggravation

All my doubting aside…it still looks like an N.C.A.A. Tourney team.

Maybe all this means is that K.W. is a lock?…If that were the case my grumblings would instantly cease.

GO ZAGS!!~

Its gonna be gLoRiOUS!!~

by gaz-tastic on Jul 20, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mathis Monninghoff ???

I must have missed something…has he committed to GU?

by mattydog73 on Jul 19, 2010 10:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Lineup looks great!

Outside Duke and Michigan State I can’t see a lineup without severe question marks. All of our young guys except Sam saw significant minutes last year, this will only help there maturation process. Bol, GJ, Gibbs, Poling, couldn’t get it done on the court. Move on boys and girls, this is big time basketball, with big time competition at every position. I can’t think of a top 10 program that doesn’t constantly look to continually upgrade via subtraction or addition. I am excited and can’t wait to see Meech run the show next year with possibly the most talented front court in the country!

by montanazag on Jul 20, 2010 3:41 AM PDT reply actions  

good post

and perspective. Agree completely.

Go Zags!!!!!!!!!!!!

by cjm720 on Jul 20, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmmm

" I can’t think of a top 10 program that doesn’t constantly look to continually upgrade via subtraction or addition"

Saw the subtractions…just have not noticed the upgrades.

Its gonna be gLoRiOUS!!~

by gaz-tastic on Jul 20, 2010 9:29 AM PDT reply actions  

The only noticable subtraction in my view is Kong

Additions? How about a redshirt big man in Sam Dower that will add much needed front court depth. How about Marquise Carter, a junior college transfer with experience at the highest level of junior colleges where he played against many, many future D1 players. Those two alone provide depth at Gonzaga’s two biggest areas in question. Love what they add.

The question you have to ask when dealing with subtractions is “would losing any of these guys from last year’s team have changed how the season went”. You can make the case for Kong in a few games…but other than that, I’m just not buying that we had major/minor/any type of subtractions.

More proof? Only one of Gonzaga’s transfers went to a decently high level program: Grant Gibbs to Creighton. GJ is at App State, Andy is at a D2 school I think, and who knows where Bol is going to wind up. This tells me that A) We made some recruiting errors the past few years and that B) We are going to be just fine with a shorter, more talented rotation.

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by Zach Bell on Jul 20, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Couple reasons

I understand this argument and you are right that I don’t know whether or not Sam and Marquise will suck or be awesome.

What I do like about them compared to GJ and Grant is that they fill a need. Yes, GJ was a point guard like Marquise but the similarities between his and Meech’s game were endless. He wasn’t a good fit because he did bring anything different off the bench. He was a drive-first, full speed ahead point guard much like Demetri. Marquise is far different in that he doesn’t have extreme athleticism like a Meech or GJ, but he is better from long range, is an above average distributor, and will be able to slow the pace down more than a guy like Meech. GJ might have made a jump from freshman to sophomore year but it was at least obvious to him that he wouldn’t be able to beat out the other two and thus he transferred.

I say Dower will help mainly because we need rebounding help. He’s long, athletic and had a very productive redshirt year where he stayed basically injury-free. I think the big thing with Sam was that he was a late bloomer. He had a lot of upside and I think/hope he will realize that this year. Any time you can add a near seven footer to your front court and his biggest attributes are the fact that he can run the floor and uses his length to be an excellent rebounder, you have a net gain. Elias, Rob, and Kelly can worry about providing most of the points but I think Sam will be a solid role player that gives this team a lot just by his presence on the court.

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by Zach Bell on Jul 20, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

why we are better....

It is an unknown at this point how the season will go…just as it is every year…but the fact is, Carter is a scoring guard and has proven that thus far he can run a team and create his own shot…against tougher competition then any incoming freshmen we could recruit. Dower gives us a 6-11 PF that can score….in both cases this is an improvement over GJ and Gibbs….and for that matter Foster.

The ability to move Harris to the 3 is a huge improvement. Last year not an option

The ability to pull Meech for Carter is an improvement. Last year not an option…unless you count GJ running down the court like a mad man and throwing up crap…

The ability to play a 6-11 guy on the wing with Olynk is an improvement. Last year not an option as we were Sacre and Foster deep and that is it…so Olynk plays center or PF by necessity.

Consider the line up:

For Example:
Carter PG
Gray at the 2
Harris at the 3
Dower at the 4
Sacre at the 5

That is a 7’ / 6’ 11" backcourt
A 6’7" SF probable NBA lottery
A 6"5 SG Senior
Carter a 6"4" PG 2 years JUCO experience

Imagine the match up problems with some Fwd or SG trying to Guard Harris….Imagine a PF having to guard him on the perimeter…Imagine a C or PF having to help and Leave Sacre or Dower under the rim….

The composition of the lineup makes us better

by mattydog73 on Jul 20, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tall doesnt mean good.

Poling and Foster are good examples. And Dower is maybe 6’8", not 6’11".

And Sacre does not play anywhere near 7’0". Manny Arop is twice the rebounder Sacre is and he’s 6’5".

I like KO a lot and see his potential. But right now he is a really tall guy that likes to shoot threes. But he is a terrible 3 point shooter.

I agree about Elias and Gray.

Carter should be an improvement over Meech, but what if one of them gets hurt. Does Hyland play the point?

by MallonFan on Jul 20, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I never said taller is better.

Dower was 6’ 9" when he came to GU the word is he is now 6-11….not really the point…and Dower is good apart from being tall…

The fact is He IS 7’ and that creates the match up problem teams would face by putting Harris at the 3. with Olynk or Dower at the 4.

And I agree that Sacre needs to grow a pair and start playing like he is 7’ especially rebounding like it.

I think they would have to move Gray to the point…

by mattydog73 on Jul 21, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dower being "tall" is just the half of it

He’s extremely long and lanky which makes up for whatever the 2’’ variance is between reports. Like I said, it makes him a strong rebounder and shot blocker. Combine that with his ability to run the floor, and you have a dangerous player.

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by Zach Bell on Jul 21, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I actually agree with you to an extent.

I just like like there upside more. I thought GJ’s biggest flaw in his offensive game was he couldn’t change speeds. (fast, fast, fast,) Grant couldn’t guard.

by montanazag on Jul 21, 2010 3:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I had already included Dower as part of the stable...

Carter is unproven, I do have high hopes for him though and would bet he will do very well.

Its gonna be gLoRiOUS!!~

by gaz-tastic on Jul 20, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

hmmmmm

every freshman and sophmore on last years roster recieved significant minutes. Counting there 1st year experience, I would say each one of these players will be an upgrade. Add one of the highest recrutied juco players to the backcourt and Sam Dower to the mix, sounds upgradeable to me! Our 2011 class is already looking solid! Like Zack says none of these subtractions hurt, Carter and Dower will be huge upgrades!

by montanazag on Jul 20, 2010 9:49 AM PDT reply actions  

Rumors have been floating around that:

Dower is going to be good, and a definite scoring threat

Carter is a better shot and better distributer than meech

Monninghoff is Micah Downs 2.0

Hyland is a shooter but not much else, and Keita is very athletic.

The Departed:

Gibbs was unathletic, not a great shot, and had bad defense.

Villarino was Meech 2.0

Bol Kong was a good shot, just couldnt figure out the system. He also obviously had academic issues. And then there is that other thing….

We definitely upgraded this year. Got rid of our weaker players, and brought in some new talent that can contribute immediately as well as some other prospects (Hyland and Keita)

by Ekrub on Jul 20, 2010 4:22 PM PDT reply actions  

A little respect for the Departed

Gibbs will make noise in the future. I think you are dead wrong about this guy.

Villarino is a better player than Meech — other than the defense. He too will make some noise — probably be all conference where he landed.

Bol Kong may have failed in the class room but as you will note above, he had the skills and athleticism to succeed.

Wish these guys well. They contributed while they were here. Don’t demean them — that’s nothing more than a cheap shot — and not deserved by any of them.

mjc

by quidveritas on Jul 20, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t trying to be disrespectful, but honest. All are good players, don’t get me wrong. But there weaknesses were too great to look past. We are better now.

by Ekrub on Jul 20, 2010 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

We HAD all of these players on the roster...

And I did not think we were over the limit of total players allowed.

So please tell me WHO is replacing:

Bol Kong
Grant Gibbs
Andy Poling
GJ Vilarino

We already had Dower, and Carter came some time ago. I know they have not played yet.

I feel Dower will be a huge upgrade over Foster, and Carter should be an upgrade over Meetch, even if they split playing time.

GJ, KONG, GIBBS replaced for Keita and Hyland does not get me real excited, sorry.

Its gonna be gLoRiOUS!!~

by gaz-tastic on Jul 20, 2010 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am talking about players that will be contributing, not the # of roster spots. Obviously those vacancies will be filled by Wiltjer/pangos/whoever.

Carter is replacing Villarino as backup pg
Dower is replacing Foster as backup center
Monninghof is replacing Gibbs/Kong as 2/3

These guys are untested in D1 ball, but from reports this is an improvement. And, if these players didn’t see the writing on the wall, why would they decide to leave to go to low mid majors and D2 schools?

by Ekrub on Jul 20, 2010 10:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Hopefully wiltjer or pangos.

Its tough to say the exact positions because matt was kind of a 1-3 combo guard (don’t know how else to describe him).

As a starting rotation I don’t see how we aren’t better this year.

by Ekrub on Jul 21, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Replacing Matt...

The Matt that lead the Zags in almost every statistical catagory last year. Until we get someone in to fill his shoes, I just do not see much improvement.

But like I previously said, IF we get K.W. I will be one happy clam.

I vote to skip next year, get K.W. , get Bell going and talk Harris into another year. I could get real happy about that. haha

Its gonna be gLoRiOUS!!~

by gaz-tastic on Jul 21, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

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