Rotation looks strong heading into 2010-2011
While there has been a little bit of shock among the Gonzaga fanbase since news of Bol Kong's departure began to emerge, the reality of the situation is that his departure will likely not have any impact on the upcoming season. In fact, the loss of Kong might even make establishing a nine-man rotation very easy for the coaching staff, with versatility and athleticism being the identity of the upcoming season.
Before I continue on with dissecting the rotation for next season, I just want to throw in my quick two cents about the departure of Kong. As anyone who has been a part of Gonzaga University, or even a fan of the school knows, being an athlete at the schools bears great responsibility. While losing a guy with the potential of Kong is difficult to stomach at this point, especially with the hype that surrounded his arrival, the Gonzaga program is much stronger and bigger than any of its individuals. Like Zach said before, I would like to wish Bol the best of luck with any of his future endeavors, and hopefully he finds a situation that is a better fit, both on and off the court.
PG: Demetri Goodson (20-25 mpg); Marquise Carter (15-20 mpg)
If you could combine these two guys into one person, you would have one of the most talented pg's in the country. However, with that option not possible, I still think this combination should produce an immediate improvement from last season. While I don't have any intention to get into a debate about the merits of Demetri Goodson at this point, I see no reason why we shouldn't expect improvement. In the one game where Meech was truly the PG on the court, which was the Battle in Seattle against Davidson, Goodson scored 22 points and looked tremendous pushing the tempo. With a higher comfort level with his teammates, as well as some improvement shooting from the field, I think Goodson should be a solid contributor offensively, while still providing solid defense.
While Goodson will provide a steady option defensively, I think Carter could be the scoring point guard that many Gonzaga fans are accustomed to seeing. He certainly does not possess the speed of Goodson, nor is he as quick, but Carter can score in a variety of ways and will provide a great scoring option off the bench. I certainly expect there to be certain situations where Carter will see the majority of minutes, but at this point I expect him to be an excellent scoring option off the bench.
SG: Steven Gray (28-30 mpg); Mathis Monninghoff (12-15 mpg)
I will never consider Steven Gray the ideal candidate to be a #1 option on a top team, which is why I think this season sets up perfectly for Gray. There is no questions that Elias Harris will be the primary option on offense, which will allow for Gray to pick his moments on the offensive end, while being a dominate defender on the perimeter. With the toughness and consistency that Gray demonstrated throughout the second-half of the season, I think he will be the perfect second-option for this team next season.
While I am excited about what Steven will bring during his senior year, I am equally excited about what Monninghoff will provide off the bench. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Monninghoff emerges as the 6th/7th man, while seeing significant minutes at both SG and SF. From what Zach and I have heard, Monninghoff is a Micah Downs clone, with an even more complete and developed offensive game. When you factor in the thought of Carter and Monninghoff providing scoring off the bench, it makes you quickly realize how talented this team can be on the offensive end.
SF: Mangisto Arop (20-25 mpg); Kelly Olynyk (8-12 mpg); Monninghoff (5-7 mpg)
With the way he played prior to his devastating foot injury in Las Vegas, it should come as no surprise that expectations are through the roof for Arop. By having guys like Harris, Sacre, and Gray in the starting lineup, Arop will be able to score within the flow of the offense, with his biggest impact likely coming through his rebounding and his defense. I think with Arop starting on the wing, there is no doubt that the trio of Goodson, Gray, and Arop will provide the best defensive perimeter group that Gonzaga has ever seen.
Another guy I expect to see a huge leap from is Kelly Olynyk. I genuinely hope that he will see some minutes on the perimeter this season, as I think he is most suited for the SF position. From what I have read on Twitter, and various reports we have heard, it seems that Olynyk has grown during the off-season. With his ability to score both on the perimeter and in the paint, combined with his excellent passing ability, I think Kelly will provide a tremendously valuable option off the bench at both the SF and PF position.
PF: Elias Harris (30-32 mpg); Kelly Olynyk (8-10 mpg)
Not since Adam Morrison has Gonzaga had a guy with the star-potential that Elias Harris possesses. After a tremendous freshman season, in which he averaged 14.9 points and 7.1 boards, there is no reason not to expect a spectacular season from Harris. Harris has the ability to dominate on the offensive end with his combination of size and athleticism. If he has been able to use his time with the German National Team to improve his offensive repertoire in the post, as well as become a stronger performance on the defensive end, Harris has the potential to be a 1st team All-American and a lottery pick in the 2011 draft.
While he will certainly see some time on the perimeter, I don't expect that Olynyk will only be an option on the perimeter. With his ability to take his defender away from the paint, Olynyk will open up the paint for both Rob Sacre and Sam Dower. If Olynyk can continue to add strength to his frame, he will be an incredibly difficult option to match up with at both the SF and PF position.
C: Rob Sacre (26-28 mpg); Sam Dower (12-14 mpg)
The continued improvement and growth of Rob Sacre will be one of the most important developments heading into the upcoming season. Sacre made an incredible jump in his sophomore season, averaging double-digits in points. The main area that Sacre must continue to grow is as a rebounder. Despite his strength and size, Sacre averaged only 5.4 boards per game. If he can add a couple of different moves to his post game, while also averaging around eight boards per game, this team will have unlimited potential.
There is no doubt in my mind that Sam Dower will provide an offensive impact from the second he steps on the court. Dower possesses the ability to score both in the block and from the perimeter. I would categorize Dower as the most skilled offensive post prospect since JP Batista. As a redshirt freshman, Dower will provide an excellent scoring option off the bench, while also using his size and passing ability to from a nice inside/outside game with guys like Harris and Olynyk.
Redshirt: Mathis Keita and Keegan Hyland
While I like the potential that both possess, I don't expect to see either making an impact next year. I have detailed how strong of an option I think Keita will be in a couple of years, but I just don't see much of a role for him this season with Monninghoff and Carter in the rotation. The same holds true with what to expect from Hyland. Working in Boston, I have heard from a couple of people that Hyland is a truly exceptional shooter, but is also a guy that needs some time to put on strength.
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I agree with the Canucks outlook ...
Olynyk did grow some as he looked markedly taller than Marc Trasolini at the Dev Camp when I was there. And you’re right, if Kelly can back 10 lbs of muscle he would be a great PF option and his mobility works for him in that situation. I’d like to see him more on the wing as well, but unless he can prove he can consistently hit the outside shot he may relegated to working the post.
As for Manny, I hope he comes back from his foot injury well. Something like that needs to be healed proper or it becomes a nagging issue down the road. Any word on his ETA from the injury guys?
And Sacre will need to start rebounding more. He can’t be that big and strong and only get 5.4 boards, especially in the WCC (not to say it’s a weak conference but if Sacre’s NBA potential, he needs to show that he can clean glass in this conference). I’m sure that he’ll have something more in the way of post moves for the coming season.
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Good Read Max
I like the way that rotation looks, and hope, hope, hope that Goodson will get it done this year like we want.
It was all just a dream...
My three things as of July 18th
1. Injuries. No team wants em’ but I don’t think Gonzaga can afford them. Everyone on this team (especially the front court guys) will have to do what they can to stay healthy and fresh up until the season begins.
2. Kelly Olynyk. Can’t wait to see him and I hope Max’s rotation is right. While watching Austin Daye participate in summer league this past week, I really hope the staff realizes that, even though these guys are tall, they can excel on the outside. My favorite part of watching Kelly this past season was seeing him bury a mid-range jumper or make a drive to the lane. Granted, his foot speed was lacking last season but I trust he has been working on that.
3. Meech. There’s no more Matt Bouldin to hide behind as the lead distributor. Whether or not you liked him last season, he’ll guide Gonzaga this year and will be that main distributor. I expect to see a completely different player this season who will have more say in the offense. I hope he grasps that opportunity because you can tell he loves the game and really loves Gonzaga.
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three things . . . thank you father spitzer
by opooos on Jul 18, 2010 3:13 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Can the season start now?
Great read. I can’t wait to see this team on the court, there are certainly a lot of unknowns but I think we are in for a highly entertaining and hopefully successful season. It doesn’t happen very often but I will have to agree with MallonFan’s analysis as well.
I dont like being pessimistic but . . .
I think there are way too many question marks on this year’s team. Elias is a stud, but looking at the rest of lineup what else is there? Gray and sacre are consistently inconsistent, meech is consistently bad on offense, and I am not sold on olynyk. Dower, carter, and the rest of the new faces are question marks. I don’t think however that poling, gj, gibbs, or kong would be game changers.
While I think we are the clear favorites in the WCC, our performance in march may not be anything special.
by opooos on Jul 18, 2010 3:59 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Hyland
I don’t think Hyland will redshirt. He’s too much of an offensive weapon. Now this is from what I’ve seen and heard, I will let the coaching staff decide. I don’t know exactly how the rotation would be with him (a backup to Gray instead of Monninghoff?), but all I’m saying is we could really use a guy who has the potential to shoot over 50% from downtown.
In Few We Trust.
Agreed
With Kong no longer in the picture, we need a Stohl-like threat that can really spread the defense and create space for our inside threats. That is, in my eyes at least, the key to Sacre’s success. If given enough room and not double-teamed immediately, he can be a first scoring option.
As for Meech, I just don’t see him taking the majority of PG playing time. I think that by halfway through the season, he and Carter will share the time equally. I don’t have a tremendous amount of faith in a guys with such low shooting percentages and a history of bad decision making on the court.
As MallonFan said, there are too many question marks to make any grand statements of Top-10 viability or Elite-8 runs. I think we’ll know how this season will turn-out by early December. If we see a cohesive team and rotation, it could be a great year for the Zags. If Few is constantly juggling the rotation and Steven goes through dry spells, we could lose more games than our collective talent deserves.
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Any chance we are going to see a more in-depth write up on Monninghoff?
I’m really curious about him and he’s probably one of my biggest question marks going into the season. I also agree with d2zag, unless Carter or Monninghoff are legitimate threats on the perimeter I think it would be unwise to redshirt Hyland especially considering Gray’s offensive inconsistencies.
by Zag Luis Obispo on Jul 18, 2010 10:09 PM PDT reply actions
The Readiness is All...
If Elias would stick around for 2011-2012, I think we’d be a shoo-in for another Elite Eight, hell ,maybe even Final Four run….but I still see this roster as a bunch of talented guys who need this season to develop. Unfortunately, Elias will be a first-rounder come this time next year.
Anyone else get that feeling?
Gotta drop a Hamlet line here: "The readiness is all"…and, I hate saying this, but I’m not sure i feel it. Hope they prove me dead wrong soon.
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I'm curious...
How do you think the potential lock out might affect his decision to jump to the NBA? It would be hard to turn down the money, but I’m thinking he may want to stay one more season. I’m sure that’s just wishful thinking though…
Yep
Boy, I’d like to imagine what would be a team of All-WCC starters…but unfortunately I DO think that it would be wishful thinking :)
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by Greg Talbott on Jul 20, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Interesting read!
How did we all of a sudden get better by losing Grant, GJ and Bol? By getting an injured umproven shooter, a JC transfer and an I’m not sure European? A solid rotation? How many of you remember how many times, Manny, Bol, Elias, KO, and GJ were just simply in the wrong place at the wrong time on both ends of the court? Now we take 3 players with the experience of the system and replace them with unknowns?
I understand the GU enthusiasm, I’m with ya there! What I don’t agree with is the basis for how you got there. With GJ gone, the weakest position still is the PG. Meech is still Meech and we haven’t had 1 minute of play from Carter. If we can consistently get the ball up the floor, we’ll be competitive. Right now, I’d say Carter is the key to the Zags success moving forward. Hope I’m a little bit wrong but Meech is a Junior now and still hasn’t shown he can run a team. We shall see! JMO
by mikesequim on Jul 19, 2010 8:04 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Re: Meech
Pargo did not show he could run the team until his Junior year as well….neither did Ravio. The fact is, Meech simply needs to understand flow and that comes with maturity..that comes with time and I believe he will make the same jump that Pargo, Ravio and yes dare I say it Stepp made from their Sophmore to Junior seasons. He will not be the scoring PG we are use to..but he will improve…if for no other reason, he will be playing point this year…not some hybrid position that had Bouldin playing point half the time…
I think that to a point you are correct about Carter…he give us instant offense….and so he is important….I still think the key to this year is Dower starting at the 4 and Harris at the 3
Thanks for that. I thought I was the only one...
who was wondering how we got better with what we lost vs what we added. I just do not see the improvement, and with Bol gone too?….I am lost as to WTF direction the Zags are headed and why.
With all of our recent success, plus the addition of Daniels to the staff, I thought we would continue to get better recruits. With the exception of Gary Bell, It sure does not feel like its happening.
It feels like Mr. Magoo is in charge and blind as a bat!!
Its gonna be gLoRiOUS!!~
LOL!! Yeah, but I really don't need the aggravation
All my doubting aside…it still looks like an N.C.A.A. Tourney team.
Maybe all this means is that K.W. is a lock?…If that were the case my grumblings would instantly cease.
GO ZAGS!!~
Its gonna be gLoRiOUS!!~
Lineup looks great!
Outside Duke and Michigan State I can’t see a lineup without severe question marks. All of our young guys except Sam saw significant minutes last year, this will only help there maturation process. Bol, GJ, Gibbs, Poling, couldn’t get it done on the court. Move on boys and girls, this is big time basketball, with big time competition at every position. I can’t think of a top 10 program that doesn’t constantly look to continually upgrade via subtraction or addition. I am excited and can’t wait to see Meech run the show next year with possibly the most talented front court in the country!
Hmmmm
" I can’t think of a top 10 program that doesn’t constantly look to continually upgrade via subtraction or addition"
Saw the subtractions…just have not noticed the upgrades.
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The only noticable subtraction in my view is Kong
Additions? How about a redshirt big man in Sam Dower that will add much needed front court depth. How about Marquise Carter, a junior college transfer with experience at the highest level of junior colleges where he played against many, many future D1 players. Those two alone provide depth at Gonzaga’s two biggest areas in question. Love what they add.
The question you have to ask when dealing with subtractions is “would losing any of these guys from last year’s team have changed how the season went”. You can make the case for Kong in a few games…but other than that, I’m just not buying that we had major/minor/any type of subtractions.
More proof? Only one of Gonzaga’s transfers went to a decently high level program: Grant Gibbs to Creighton. GJ is at App State, Andy is at a D2 school I think, and who knows where Bol is going to wind up. This tells me that A) We made some recruiting errors the past few years and that B) We are going to be just fine with a shorter, more talented rotation.
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I had already included Dower as part of the stable...
Carter is unproven, I do have high hopes for him though and would bet he will do very well.
Its gonna be gLoRiOUS!!~
hmmmmm
every freshman and sophmore on last years roster recieved significant minutes. Counting there 1st year experience, I would say each one of these players will be an upgrade. Add one of the highest recrutied juco players to the backcourt and Sam Dower to the mix, sounds upgradeable to me! Our 2011 class is already looking solid! Like Zack says none of these subtractions hurt, Carter and Dower will be huge upgrades!
Rumors have been floating around that:
Dower is going to be good, and a definite scoring threat
Carter is a better shot and better distributer than meech
Monninghoff is Micah Downs 2.0
Hyland is a shooter but not much else, and Keita is very athletic.
The Departed:
Gibbs was unathletic, not a great shot, and had bad defense.
Villarino was Meech 2.0
Bol Kong was a good shot, just couldnt figure out the system. He also obviously had academic issues. And then there is that other thing….
We definitely upgraded this year. Got rid of our weaker players, and brought in some new talent that can contribute immediately as well as some other prospects (Hyland and Keita)
A little respect for the Departed
Gibbs will make noise in the future. I think you are dead wrong about this guy.
Villarino is a better player than Meech — other than the defense. He too will make some noise — probably be all conference where he landed.
Bol Kong may have failed in the class room but as you will note above, he had the skills and athleticism to succeed.
Wish these guys well. They contributed while they were here. Don’t demean them — that’s nothing more than a cheap shot — and not deserved by any of them.
mjc
I wasn’t trying to be disrespectful, but honest. All are good players, don’t get me wrong. But there weaknesses were too great to look past. We are better now.
We HAD all of these players on the roster...
And I did not think we were over the limit of total players allowed.
So please tell me WHO is replacing:
Bol Kong
Grant Gibbs
Andy Poling
GJ Vilarino
We already had Dower, and Carter came some time ago. I know they have not played yet.
I feel Dower will be a huge upgrade over Foster, and Carter should be an upgrade over Meetch, even if they split playing time.
GJ, KONG, GIBBS replaced for Keita and Hyland does not get me real excited, sorry.
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I am talking about players that will be contributing, not the # of roster spots. Obviously those vacancies will be filled by Wiltjer/pangos/whoever.
Carter is replacing Villarino as backup pg
Dower is replacing Foster as backup center
Monninghof is replacing Gibbs/Kong as 2/3
These guys are untested in D1 ball, but from reports this is an improvement. And, if these players didn’t see the writing on the wall, why would they decide to leave to go to low mid majors and D2 schools?
Hopefully wiltjer or pangos.
Its tough to say the exact positions because matt was kind of a 1-3 combo guard (don’t know how else to describe him).
As a starting rotation I don’t see how we aren’t better this year.
Replacing Matt...
The Matt that lead the Zags in almost every statistical catagory last year. Until we get someone in to fill his shoes, I just do not see much improvement.
But like I previously said, IF we get K.W. I will be one happy clam.
I vote to skip next year, get K.W. , get Bell going and talk Harris into another year. I could get real happy about that. haha
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