Get those tourney tickets up on Craigslist! Gonzaga dismantled by Saint Mary's
by Zach Bell on Mar 8, 2010 9:49 PM PST
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What a fitting end to an insanely frustrating West Coast Conference season.
Just like so many times during regular season play, Gonzaga failed to rise to the occasion and laid an egg with much on the line. That's really what it comes down to. If you watched the game on TV or were unfortunate enough to be in the arena tonight, there was absolutely no question which team was more prepared and up for tonight's game. Gonzaga came out flat tonight at the Orlenas and wound up getting pummeled by the Gaels of Saint Mary's by a score of 81-62.
It's really easy to write off this game by saying "Well, Saint Mary's had to win whereas Gonzaga was already in the tourney". But we all know that this excuse really holds no water when you look at what the Zags had on the line. Playing in Spokane, getting a protected seed, etc etc were all things Mark Few and his club had in their sights tonight but apparently playing a minute away from campus is just not of importance.
The thing which also really bugs me about the way Gonzaga lost tonight is how it all happened. The fact that Omar Samhan only had nine points speaks volumes about the way Robert Sacre played but the fact that Mickey McConnell and Ben Allen combined for 46 points absolutely makes me sick. All you can do here is tip your hat to Randy Bennett who obviously saw the huge hole in Gonzaga's defensive rotation and exposed it with some great drive and kick out plays to get his hot players the basketball. It was just a simple pick and roll with a set shooter waiting on the perimeter if the drive failed and Allen and McConnell connected time and time again to absolutely demolish the Zags. Our defense never changed and there offensive direction never did either. Robert Sacre had one of his best defensive performances ever tonight but it was clear Saint Mary's was perfectly fine with relying on someone other than their star center.
All season long I have felt like a broken record in these recaps. That's either because A) I'm stubborn or B) It's pretty obvious what makes this team tick. There are three players that must be the focal points and they are all in different capacities. First of all, Elias Harris is Gonzaga's best and most dangerous player on offense. Gonzaga must get him the ball in situations where he can use his athletic ability in space. Space. Space. Space. That's an interesting concept. For the first half of the season, we were delighted with clear out plays designed around Harris to get into the lane, make a move, and finish. If it wasn't there, we were seeing him come around back screens for alley-oops or on screen and roll plays. Something changed in conference play and our dependence on Elias suddenly shifted to forcing the pass into Robert Sacre or running the ball specifically through Matt or Steven. We saw a few glimpses of plays to Elias tonight but that was after 30-35 minutes of time had elapsed. For the past 15-20 games I just don't get why our staff can't figure out that the ball must run through Harris each and every time. This team hits another level when he is firing on all cylinders and there were a few plays where you could see he had the intensity but just couldn't get consistent touches.
Regarding Matt Bouldin and Steven Gray. Bouldin is probably Gonzaga's best all-around player because he can bring so much to this club. He's ridiculously inefficient, however, when he thinks he is this team's best scoring option. I'd rather see Matt have eight assists over 18 points because he is the Zags' primary distributor. It serves this team nothing when he jacks up mid-range shots with 25 seconds left in the shot clock. His stat line every game should be 12 points, seven assists, and six rebounds because that is what an all-around player like him should do.
The reason Matt should defer on offense sometimes is because he has a player like Steven Gray roaming the backcourt with him. I thought Gray had another terrific game but the fact that he only had two offensive attempts in the first half is utterly inexcusable. We saw last night and tonight that he is a total scorer who works in a variety of ways but he's got to have the ball in his hands. I have no doubt in my mind that Gray and Elias can and will be one of the best inside out combos next season provided that Demetri Goodson shows the ability to become the primary distributor once Matt leaves. These two guys can really score from anywhere on the court and already have me salivating for next season.
That's how Gonzaga breaks down in my opinion. It's really, really simple. The last thing that is really hard to quantify and breakdown is just simple motivation. You might not look at this game tomorrow and view it as an embarrassing loss but if you watched that second half, it was painfully obvious and embarrassing that this team just has no leadership. I made a comment in our game thread that I miss Jeremy Pargo like crazy this year and it's the absolute truth. Whether you like him as a player or didn't, it is guys like Pargo that can will a team to win and is willing to throw a club on their back if they have to. We didn't always come out victorious with Jeremy leading but at least he had the mental make-up and grit to lead this team. We don't have that this year. I do see some of it in some of the guys that will be leading next season but it is such a shame to see what appears to be a bunch of great talent get wiped out because they can't get up during the most crucial times.
Well, this appears to have taken on more of a rant than a recap! Gonzaga now has a long, long break and probably a long, long flight in between now and their next time on the hardwood. Maybe rest is what this team needs but if I was Mark Few I would practice the hell out of these kids to try and inspire some kind of energy out of these guys. Otherwise, it is going to be a very, very, quick March and a long offseason.
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It was obvious
that the WCC fixed this to get SMC to the tourney. If you didn’t see that, you are pretty ignorant or a hugs SMC fan (if they exist). Look at the two fouls on Elias at 14:00 in the 2nd that weren’t called, whereas SMC just had to fall down after shooting layups to get calls. This game was a fix, so take it for what it was. How are we supposed to go inside with any confidence after Elias and Sacre (and Bouldin) get hacked and the refs just let it go.
Elias should go to the NBA. He would be a fool to let these dogshit WCC officials hold him back anymore, because they kept a leash on him all season and hindered his game. The foul on Samhan wasn’t a foul, Samhan’s hacks on Elias were fouls. It was like this all game. Don’t try and say it went both ways, because it did not. The officials decided this game and didn’t try to hide it.
The result was fixed. Period.
We played fine, but got demoralized by lopsided officiating.
Let’s hit the tourney with some good focus. I think the referees will be more open to us playing basketball. SMC gets handled in the first round, seeing as the conference won’t be able to effect the outcome. You beat us on your third hard fought try, good for you SMC. You needed this, we didn’t, and if it were officiated fairly we win by double digits (again). You’re all welcome for the rant.
Get out of the WCC, this league is a joke.
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by SoundPound on Mar 8, 2010 10:37 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I can't say the game was fixed.
But, there were some questionable calls on both sides. Confusion – one ref called a foul and the other called a turnover – things like that – it doesn’t give you much confidence in their ability, but it’s not “fixing”, which is a crime.
Also, I think that the WCC teams at the bottom are getting better. It’s like golf. When you have a dominate player at the top, like Tiger Woods, you either improve your game to that level, or you continue to lose. The lower teams in the WCC are figuring this out. They have come to realize that Gonzaga isn’t going to play at their level anymore and they have to come up to Gonzaga’s level. Saint Mary’s is paying thier basketball program to travel the world, Australia mainly, to gather talent that can play at Gonzaga’s level. When you are a dog pulling the sled, if you aren’t the lead dog, the view never changes.
Elias is not going to the NBA this year. He has already said so. This is great news for us. It’s been awhile since we’ve had a strong 4. Since J.P. Batista, I think. I am also salivating over the possibilities that next year will be a final four year.
And Few should have gone to a zone, more great coaching.
It didn’t take a basketball coach to know we needed to switch. Keep paying him to choke, I always say.
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How dare you attack Mark Few.
You dont know Gonzaga basketball. Mark Few is the reason why we are where we are. The lack of respect he gets from Gonzaga fans is appalling to me. Every chance people get they throw him under the bus. We pay him to make 12 straight NCAA titles. We pay him to have the highest active winning percentage of any coach in college basketball. Our success is based on his leadership and coaching. Mark Few is Gonzaga basketball and Me and him will see you all in Indy.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH yOU AND fEW GOT TICKETS TO SEE THE FINAL FOUR, CAUSE A mARK fEW LEAD CHOKING CLUB WILL NOT BE PLAYING THERE, THATS FOR SURE.
by GogglesPiazzano on Mar 9, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
I respect him.
I just want him to take the next step and start learning from mistakes.
I won’t attack Few nearly the way I would attack the guy your handle represents.
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Ah come on Sound Pound
Teams don’t lose by 19 points because of referees! We lost to a better team tonight, pure and simple.
LOL!!!!!
You really think SMC is 20 points better than us? Get real, it was FIXED.
I don’t get why people didn’t see this. Why wouldn’t the WCC tell these guys "It’d help this conference a lot if St. Mary’s got in, so make sure they get in. I don’t know how many times Elias must get thrown to the ground before we can all realize the WCC tried to make him blend in.
Elias is the best player in this conference, he has taken so many hard fouls that weren’t called it is just embarassing.
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Couldn't guard the threes soundpound
This game was very similar offensively to the loss at Loyola. The offense had no movement the whole game, there were many forced shots inside, we had more turnovers than assists, Bouldin got pushed around and was taken out of his flow, did his usual routine where he tries to penetrate and gets the ball knocked out of his hands one too many times… Elias never got the ball isolated, the only shots he got were deep in the post with Allen and Samhan collapsing on him, I lost track of how many times Elias got blocked or threw up awkward looking shots.. Our best player Stephen Gray needed more shots because he is our best weapon on offense, he can penetrate effectively against good talent unlike Bouldin… I think we really need to give GJ some playing time because Goodson can’t shoot, and is a huge liability on offense.
Wouldn't have needed to
If all the ridiculous fouls the refs missed were called, we would’ve been at the line all day.
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Matt needs to start playing point gaurd again!
As long as Steven Gray is running the offense, the Zags don’t have a prayer… they are out in the first round!
well written
A very good post. Several calls with the refs werent good, but you dont loose by 19 cause of refs. St. Marys out played us and it was evident 4 mins into the first half that they came to play and we just never matched intensity, the biggest componet of college basketball. Pretty much a home game we dropped, Vegas is a home court for us. This team has shown some very amazing flashes of brilliance, but then two minutes later they make you wonder if we belong in the elite this year.
Not a good way to enter the big dance.
The day after...
The most frustrating thing is that the Zags were clearly out of sorts by their second offensive sequence, and they were still out of sorts at the end of the game. Seeing Few with that I-don’t-know-what-to-do look on his face when SMC blew it open made me want to fight myself.
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Manny Arop
Just how much of an impact would he have made? The whole team seemed to be distraught over losing him. This will obviously make a difference in the tourney.
Matt YMCA
After this last month Matt will be lucky if he is playing pick up games at the YMCA in Colorado this summer. We need to send Meech to a J.C. We need some gaurd play NOW
Game Film
Few needs to show some game films of the teams of past. Intensity and Ball Rotation
They lost the art fo moving the ball
Is simply showing game film what passes for coaching these days?
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2010 GU
This team finished higher than I thought they would. Won the WCC title with 9 newbee’s.
Will get to the dance! Would you trade places with NC right now? Lighten up folks, it’ll be fine. Most seem madder that SMC won than GU lost. Brilliant insight by Soundpound on why GU lost might be telling of our own ignorance! Go GU, at least we’re there.
by mikesequim on Mar 9, 2010 7:58 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
What exactly does "fine" mean?
“At least we’re there”? I respect opinions and all, but that kind of attitude drives me crazy. At what point do we start expecting more than what we’ve had every season for the last 10 years? It’s like we’re all so amazed that something like Gonzaga could happen in some place like Spokane that we’re not willing to recognize that there has been almost zero progress since 1999. “But Nike makes their uniforms! Isn’t that awesome?” “But they played Duke in New York! Isn’t that awesome?” “But their games are on ESPN! Isn’t that awesome?”
2001 was a long time ago, and if you aren’t moving forward, you’re moving backwards.
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With the progress post, not the fine post.
by GogglesPiazzano on Mar 9, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
I'd trade places with NC in a heartbeat
they’re coming off a title.
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UNC
I would trade places with UNC as well. UNC and their fans know they will be right back in the title hunt next season and seasons to come, while zag fans have losses to USF and tourny meltdowns to look forward to.
by GogglesPiazzano on Mar 9, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
two weeks to tourney
Not usually a big fan of a long layover before the tourney but with this team it might be the best thing for them. They have just seemed out of sorts the last few weeks. Especially Bouldin. He does not appear to be himself. Whether fatigue, injury or whatever, he is not playing the way he did for most of the season. They should take a few days off and THEN hit the court hard and try to find what they were earlier in the season. The way they are playing right now is not what we want in the big dance so give them some time to detach from that mindset and then focus on the Tourney. In addition, Few needs to go back to some of his other offensive sets. We used to be a system program that had several sets as well as motion type offensives to score. We now seem to run one man offense all the time for the singular purpose of isolating certain players to go one on one. Won’t work in the tournament because our first round opponent will have most of the week to prep for it. Need to be able to run various sets so the kids aren’t stagnating on offense when the defense knows our one offensive set as well as we do. That’s what it looked like last night.
The commentators from ESPN,
Bardo and the other guy, pointed out exactly what Saint Mary’s was doing on defense that we couldn’t overcome. It was simple. SMC shut down the dribble drive. Every time one of our guys put the ball on the floor, SMC’s defense collapsed around the basket. If we kicked the ball back out, they flexed out again and covered the perimeter. They played man-to-man until Bouldin or Gray or Meech tried to drive the ball, then they collapsed on the dribbler. That’s why we couldn’t score. They owned the paint. I kept yelling at the TV for someone to shoot the ball from the perimeter, but they never did.
One really good thing – Sacre’s defense on Samhan was his best defensive effort this year. Samhan couldn’t move to his left. I think Sacre is still developing as a post man. If you think about it, this is his first year playing the post as he got very little playing time as a freshman. I think he will be the inside dominator in the WCC.
by Tom117 on Mar 9, 2010 9:09 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Three things that doomed the zags
The first is terrible officiating. I don’t play the “blame the refs” but soundpound is right to a point. The calls were very slanted. And yes you can lose by 19 to a good team when it is 8 against 5.
Secondly, Harris blew defensive assignment after assignment! He simply can not play defense. It was ALWAYS him that did not rotate to Ben Allen shooting the three. Killed us.
Lastly, NO spacing on offense. It allowed SMC to pack it in the paint and never pay the price for double teaming.
Let’s face it this game was a slug fest for much of this game…the score ballooned at the end so please stop trying to say that the Zags were not intense or motivated…that is crap. They fought very hard for most of the game.
I hesitate to really fault Harris totally for the D
Look at how far McConnell was penetrating because our guards couldn’t stay in front of him. That puts post players, especially young ones, in a horrible predicament. SMC knew our weaknesses and gameplanned to it. Brilliant.
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So true!
They scouted and gameplanned the Zags as good as we’ve seen. Few said that this team has vulnerabilities and that we will not overpower teams in the conference. It was evident from the start that SMC knew they could beat us on the inside-out plays where they would kick the ball back out to the perimeter. They also ran the pick and roll to perfection, which we should have known they would since it is their signature offensive strategey. Bardo commented several timeson how often SMC ran the pick and roll for a score. We couldn’t get a body on the pick man to block out. We just could not adjust on defense.
Harris didn't stop penetration either
If he was hedging in to stop penetration…ok but…he didn’t stop them and he still was really slow on the close out…Harris is not a good team defender…he can play good in your face D but very often he loses his assignment and other zags have to pay or like last night..wide open threes for ben Allen.
Why did we keep allowing that play and not switch to a zone?
Oh yeah, because Few has a 80 % winning percentage so he doesn’t need to adjust like other coaches.
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Hard to justify a zone
when a team is shooting like SMC was from deep.
My only issue was having Bouldin on McConnell and Kong on Dellavedova at certain times. Neither can stop ball whatsoever and it showed.
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Just a quick note,
Lunardi has the Zags at the 7 seed against 10 seed Marquette playing in Oklahoma City as of this morning. St. Mary’s moved up to a 10 seed, matched up with 7 seed Missouri in Milwaukee.
why does it have to be oklahoma city
why not just hell instead
by Jerikantilles on Mar 9, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
haha
Hell is where this team has been since the UCLA collapse.
by GogglesPiazzano on Mar 9, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Teams are HACKING GU
Let’s not get too undude here. Loyola beat the crap out of GU on Sunday, while the refs looked the other way, and then St. Mary’s hacks them on Monday…and the refs look the other way. Both games were very physical, and back to back. This team is drained and they’re beaten up. I think they’re going to be very pissed off the next week or so off and come back playing with some intensity. If they can win in Memphis, they can win anywhere. Who cares if they play in Spokane? They’d be too content. Better to be on the road,, with a chip on your shoulder.
Two games in two days
and they are drained? Maui was tougher than this and they played better there. I can’t take anything away from SMC. They were better prepared and flatly shot the lights out. 61% in the second half.
The Zags are a good road team. If the selection committee puts them against Marquette in OK City, then they will be as successful there as anywhere.
They will lose in the first round, is that a success to you?
by GogglesPiazzano on Mar 9, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
I am going to copy and paste this comment you made...for later.
Also, this blog is for ppl who have respect. Come back when you have some.
You talking to me? Sorry that I have some realism about this team that chokes away seasons every year.
by GogglesPiazzano on Mar 9, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
And at least we make the tourney
5 Sweet 16’s in 11 years compared to one first round exit in one appearance.
Choking in March beats the hell out of not being there… You are a joke.
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You must be confused. Gonzaga lost in the first round back to back years to Indiana and then to davidson. The year before that, the UCLA meltdown, the three years after that, lost in the second round to teams they should have beat…and the year before that? Loss in the first round to WYOMING when supposedly gonzaga had one of its best teams. One first round exit, who are you kidding?
by GogglesPiazzano on Mar 9, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks for bringing up our success again
These are all losses in the tournament. Getting there is the goal. And we do it every year.
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by SoundPound on Mar 9, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
What about a final 4..a title?
We brag and brag about how great Few is, but 0 final fours and 0 championships? I dont even think Few has an Elite eight appearance. Getting to the tourny is the goal? Wow, who are we, Seton Hall? Gonzaga is supposed to be a class team.
by GogglesPiazzano on Mar 9, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
yes to you.
You have been a member since what.. yesterday? Realism? So I suppose last years team choked…right? When they played the buzzsaw that was NC…the eventual national champion…is that right?
by mattydog73 on Mar 9, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
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First off, I have been a member for a long time, I forgot my other handle because I couldnt stand all of you homers on here saying how great Few is after losing to teams the likes of LMU and USF. Secondly, Gonzaga wasn’t only beaten by UNC, they were embarrassed, as usual when they play high class teams. I guess you are one of those “fans” who thinks losing in the first round of the NCAA every other year is success.
by GogglesPiazzano on Mar 9, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
If You Don't...
Like listening to all of us talk about something we feel passionately about, like Gonzaga basketball, then leave. Yes, we talk negatives, but we also talk a ton of positive stuff, like how Coach Few is going to the tourney with nearly an entire freshman team and UNC is going where… probably not even the NIT.
No one wants you dismissing our voices on here.
If you don’t like it, don’t read it… leave and never come back.
GP you are exceptionally annoying
UNC was a juggernaut last year, they had their way with every team they played in the tourney, winning by at least 12 in every game. Its not like we were the only ones who got hammered.
P.S. I’d rather be a homer than a complete tool. Please try to stir shit up somewhere else
by Zag Luis Obispo on Mar 9, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Embarrassed huh...
Kinda of like Mich State was in the championship game…Man that Michigan State! What a bunch of choke artists! And that Tom Izzo! sucks…yeah that is it.
“I guess you are one of those "fans" who thinks losing in the first round of the NCAA every other year is success.” …… Please feel free to go back and read any and all of my posts…you will not find anything of the sort.
Forgot your handle huh…let me help…to listen to you I would say it was “Mallonfan” ;)
High class teams…Oh you must mean the huge schools who get the top players in the country…yes that IS high class alright….Why is it so tough to compete with these schools??? Such a mystery! must be cause Gonzaga sucks…and for that matter so does Few…right?
Tell me…you from Spokane? You know anything about Gonzaga? You realize how impressive it is for a Jesuit school to come out of obscurity and maintain the level they have? I don’t think you do. You want Gonzaga to be Duke just like all the other bandwagon fans…and when they are not…you say stupid sh*t on a blog…
Gonzaga has room for improvement certainly but Rome was not built in a day…so…please articulate for us all how you would improve their BASKETBALL performance…please enlighten me..
Injecting a little realism
What GU has accomplished is great. It really is. But coming from the WCC GU doesn’t have to be elite to make the tourney every year. And Few doesn’t have to put a nationally elite team on the court every year to have one of the best winning percentages for coaches over the past decade.
Its like comparing Boise State’s football team to the USC’s and Ohio States… Duke and NC play the best teams in the nation day in and day out. GU plays the best teams in the nation as often as possible, but that is still only a few games a year. And when they play them, sometimes they do well, other times…. well Duke this year is a good example.
Point being, GU is a good mid major program. They aren’t Duke, and they probably never will be that quality. All those NC teams are a real anomaly in college sports.
And the quality of Few’s wins are worth about half of NC’s wins. Now if St Mary’s continues to build its program and at least half the teams in the WCC start to be strong competitors, then it will actually mean something on a national scale for GU to win the conference every year and be in the tournament. As it is, it means alot for the WCC that GU wins most years, but it means very little on the national scale that GU wins most years.
Very Disapointing
Disappointed in the team — they could have played better.
Disappointed in the folks on this forum. Most of you guys are all sunshine when things are going well and nothing but vinegar when they go south.
Time for a reality check:
Only two players on this team had much D-1 experience at all heading into the season. If you look at the entire body of work, this team has exceeded expectations.
Manny’s injury was a distraction at a time when we needed focus.
Physically mugging the best Gonzaga playmaker during the tournament is a WCC tradition: Stepp, Dickau, Morrison, Bouldin . . . Steven, if you are reading this, you should expect the same treatment next year.
St. Mary’s played an incredible second half. If they can play like that all the time, they will go far. Personally, I don’t think they can do it again any time soon, but . . . folks said that about the Zags a few years ago too. As Matt Santangelo said, “it’s all about getting hot at the right time”.
mjc
Why even play a conference tournament?
This really isn’t sour grapes for losing to St. Mary’s last night. They wanted this game 100x more than we did and hit the shots to put us away.
That being said, I have always thought the WCC tournament was a little redundant. I can understand it more in conferences like the Big East where not every team plays each other twice but I just don’t think it makes much sense in the WCC. We were already conference champions, we had already swept St. Mary’s and Portland in conference play, why have a tournament to basically recreate a mini-season all over again? I really like what the Ivy League does in giving its regular season conference champ the auto-bid. I think it makes much more sense for the smaller conferences like the WCC. Definitely like to hear some other thoughts on this. I can see some benefits to it like being able to play another week so we don’t have a LONG break till the NCAA’s and giving the league some TV exposure…
People, people
Chillllllllllllllllllllllllllllll!
Everyone in this thread is a Gonzaga fan and yes GP has been around for quite a long time.
Tension is high. Might I direct you to the new thread regarding wish lists. Let’s see your fixes (shameless plug)
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Meech needs out
Right now meech can’t get the job done at the point. Offensively he is a liability with no shot and an inconsistent dribble drive. I love the kid’s speed and defensive capabilities but we cant play a four man offensive game anymore. Before Sunday my wish was to see Manny in for meech, unfortunately that isn’t an option anymore. GJ needs in the game. Although he is a freshman I think he can make far more of a contribution at the point than meech. GJ better see playing time next year even if it means over meech and who knows maybe we’ll even see him from time to time in the tourny.
Ranting and Raving
Interesting thoughts & comments about the game, as well as reaction to the game!
After this tourney, I am even more impressed with Steven Gray. (I read somewhere that he was still under the weather before the LMU game, which makes it even more impressive.) I thought Rob was awesome on Samhan.
The highs with this team are fantastic, and lows are hard to stomach when we’ve seen them play so well.
If they [the Zags] could have only one quality, the quality to be able to win is not a bad one ~ Mark Few, 2005-2006
This Team Is Anemic
Against St Marys they played listless and weak…totally lacking in vitality. They played like they did’nt cared who they will be matched up with in the big dance. Actually I got the feeling that they could’nt have cared less if they played in a tournament at all.
I’ve heard all the excuses but their lack of effort trumps everything.
Its sad that a team with so much talent, so much to play for has lost its way.
I’m at a lost for words…except for “anemic”.
Its sad and I pity them.
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