A much needed break
It's rather fascinating how perspective changes from season-to-season in the world of college basketball. Last season, after watching Gonzaga absolutely dismantle St. Mary's in the WCC tournament final, I lamented the fact that the team had 10 days off before they would play again. I was afraid that not having any competition would take that experienced group out of the great rhythm that they had developed throughout the final month of the season. Although that team advanced to the Sweet 16, I'm still convinced that they never regained the chemistry and flow that made them so dangerous and impressive in February and early March.
While I found the 10-day break to be a negative last season, I feel the complete opposite way about the break this group will have before beginning the NCAA Tournament next Thursday or Friday. I don't remember seeing a team at Gonzaga (maybe the 2006/2007 team that had to deal with the Josh Heytvelt and Theo Davis suspensions) that needed a week of practice and fundamental work more than this team. Even more important is the fact that guys like Matt Bouldin, Elias Harris, and Steven Gray will have a chance to rest their bodies and sleep in their own beds for at least a week. Instead of preparing for an opponent, this next week can spent improving this team and finding the rhythm and competitive streak that made this group so appealing and highly-regarded back in November and December.
I know we have debated and discussed all the struggles that this team has gone through since the loss to USF, but I continue to believe that the most important thing the coaching staff can do is improve the psyche and confidence of this team. The first thing I would do when practice starts again (hopefully tomorrow, because I think this group needs two full days off) is show them clips of the wins over Cincinnati, Illinois, Memphis, and St. Mary's. The reason I chose these games is because the key factors were Elias Harris dominating on the offensive end, Matt Bouldin looking to be a play-maker and scoring when the opportunity was there, and Rob Sacre being a force in the middle on both ends of the court.While I am a fan of doing what it takes to get Sacre involved in the offense, I don't support this idea of force-feeding him at the expense of getting Elias Harris the ball on every possession. Elias is the best combination of offensive skill and athleticism that we have seen at Gonzaga in awhile, and it baffles me that he isn't the primary option on the offensive end. This team was at its best when Elias was taking 15-20 shots per game, with Bouldin and Gray getting open looks and attacking because the defense was so focused on slowing down Harris. As we saw at St. Mary's and at Illinois, Elias is good enough to carry this team to victories, and I have to believe that this will be the case if this group is going to advance in the Tournament.
The other big issue facing this time heading into the NCAA Tournament is how to replace the impact of Mangisto Arop (random sidenote: Has anyone actually seen a press release on Arop's injury. Besides speculation by ESPN and this site, does anyone actually know that he is out for the rest of the season?). If we are under the assumption that Arop is out, that means the coaching staff has to put its faith in Bol Kong. At this point of the season, it's not time to start seeing if Grant Gibbs and GJ Vilarino can make an impact.
Kong played the best he has all season in the win against LMU, scoring nine points in 24 minutes, and showing the ability to attack the rim. However, Kong played only 13 minutes in the loss to St. Mary's, despite it being a game where Gonzaga was in desperate need of his creativity and ability to score on the offensive end. Without taking into account a potential injury or foul trouble, the coaching staff must stick with an 8-man rotation featuring Kong, Foster, and Olynyk off the bench. With Mangisto out, Kong should be seeing around 20 minutes off the bench. Also, I don't buy that Kong is a liability on the defensive end, since I saw him do a tremendous job on Drew Viney throughout the LMU game.
Lets not forget how explosive and difficult this team can be to play against. There are only a handful of teams that can match up with the trio of Bouldin, Gray, and Harris when they are clicking and healthy. That's why getting those three rested and on the same page with Demetri Goodson and Rob Sacre is the most important thing this staff can do before they start preparation for their first and potential second round opponents. This biggest challenge for this coaching staff is making sure that each minute spent with this group before next week is used to improve the flow of this team and get everyone on the same page and playing loose like this team did at the start of the season. The talent and maturity is there, but the main question facing this team is whether or not this group can find it again.
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Oh no worries
They play the way they just did against St. Marys their wish will be granted.
They will have a year long break.
Thats ok, they’ve convinced me that they, for whatever reason only known to them, that they really don’t have any desire to compete.
Whats that old cliche?
Oh, I know…theres always next year.
This might sound petty
But can you take that horrible picture off the top of the article? Put up some ponies or rainbows or something, anything that isn’t the Crisco Kid with his stupid goofy grin.
I don't blame Sanhan...
…for our lack of effort.
We lost that game (St Marys) because we did’nt compete!
It just bugs me to death to see this team uses every excuse for not competing, ie, the refs scam us, the basket isn’t right or does’nt look right, too tired….enough already!
If they’d just leave it out on the floor, with all that talent, they would be so much more successful. They just seem to lose focus so easily.
All I have ever hoped for was for these guys is that they COMPETE for 40 minutes!
"this team uses every excuse"?
Not sure who on the team is making excuses about the refs, the basket, or that they’re too tired. Maybe try making some actual points instead of speaking in generalities?
by FrayLo on Mar 10, 2010 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
What in the world?
Who said the hoop didn’t look right?
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Agreed on all points
but especially these 3.
1. The first thing I would do when practice starts again (hopefully tomorrow, because I think this group needs two full days off) is show them clips of the wins over Cincinnati, Illinois, Memphis, and St. Mary’s.
2. While I am a fan of doing what it takes to get Sacre involved in the offense, I don’t support this idea of force-feeding him at the expense of getting Elias Harris the ball on every possession.
3. With Mangisto out, Kong should be seeing around 20 minutes off the bench. Also, I don’t buy that Kong is a liability on the defensive end, since I saw him do a tremendous job on Drew Viney throughout the LMU game.
Well said.
The Hoop
My apologies Zach.
I was using it (the hoop) as a figure of speech.
I’ll own up.
I was wrong to use an example without researching it.
Geez, I’m sounding like media when in reality I am just a Zag fan who thinks a team should compete ever game.
The point I was trying to make is that when one has run out of excuses/reasons, meaning the team, that just maybe our Zags should just man up and play ball. Atleast a little old school would go a long way. Maybe I’m asking too much as a fan but those old school guys left it out on the floor every time they played. They played the game the way it should be played.
And it was beautiful to watch.
I with ZagsFanatic...
that picture is rough to look at….
After watching the post-game press conference, I don’t believe that the players don’t care about winning. Gray looked absolutely dejected…
If they [the Zags] could have only one quality, the quality to be able to win is not a bad one ~ Mark Few, 2005-2006
Care about winning
I am sure they were dejected, but what I think people are trying to say (and I totally agree) is that they should be beyond dejected – they should be angry/p*ssed/embarrassed and go into the next game with a serious chip on their shoulders. Where is the swagger? Where is the “nastiness”? Where is the competitive fire? These Zags seem like they aren’t the type who hate to lose – in anything. Heck, I’d be willing to accept loses & mistakes (young team) if they played with intensity for 40 minutes.
so now we're getting angry because they're not "MAD ENOUGH"?
give me a break. there are tons of reasons to be upset about the loss but “not being angry enough about losing a game” isn’t one of the major ones.
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Have you ever played college, or competitive, sports? If you have, you should know exactly what I mean.
This place is turning into GU Boards.
Questioning whether or not a collective team has the desire and will to win basketball games is a waste of my time.
Rotation constantly changing
At this point in the season there should be no questions on rotation. Unfortunately every game is a diffrent group of guys. We are doomed to repeat mistakes with no consistency in the lineup. I am not the coach but at this point in the season I would have everything locked down win or lose. Let Matt run the point, let Manny create off the dribble. Things that have proven to work. When it’s not broke, don’t fix it. It seems we are looking for repairs daily come tournament time. These kids want to win and are winners. I would love to see them reach their potential.
So...you're saying...
…(FrayLo), that this team playing without a sense of urgency does’nt make you angry?
Lack of desire is the most fundamental problem with this team.
C’mon now, if you are a Zag fan you should feel like your heart has been ripped out because of this teams’ lack of desire.
These are’nt “just” games now.
Now is when a team should be peaking and striving to competative.
Without the desire we are nothing more than a team who has lost itself…lost at a most inconvenient time.
Hopefully they can surround the wagons and come out and play with some of that toughness and swagger we saw from this team early in the season. But as much as I wish things were different that is the reality at thius time.
Unfortunately I’m not holding my breath.
What makes me angry is the team not performing to their abilities.
What makes me angry is losing games we can win. This team has the talent and the capabilities.
Being “angry” at them for “not showing in the postgame news conference that they are upset about losing” is ridiculous and a waste of time.
Questioning in-game decisions by the players and coaches, the plays and the choices we make on offense and defense, yes, those are valid concerns.
Questioning the competitive nature of college athletes? Athletes who have likely been playing competitive sports for 10+ years?
Blaming “intangibles”, “chemistry” and “desire” is what lazy people do to argue a point. Rather than look at our inability to score with Sacre and Harris, rather than look at our inability to adjust against a team that’s hot at shooting from the outside, rather than notice that Samhan wasn’t a significant scoring threat on Monday night, you’d rather look at “desire” and “will.” Please.
by FrayLo on Mar 11, 2010 9:41 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Last paragraph is the truth
We get distracted too much with nonsense. Didn’t we take Critical Thinking? I know freshman year was long ago, but what kinds of arguments are these?
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Agreed
I like the conversations to revolve around basketball and the fundamentals. Get as mad as you want at the team or coaches for not executing or preparing. Say what you feel.
Winning games when one or two players have an ‘on’ night is not good coaching or maximizing your talent. Last year’s team played best when all starters scored in double digits (I’d say and played team defense but that was not their strong suit). This year’s team should learn from that. They themselves have had flashes of this.
Back to the topic of the post. This break is more beneficial for this team than any year before, imo. Re-energize and re-focus on the basics that got you to the post season. I think the person most benefiting from this is a toss up between Gray and Harris. My eyes will be glued to those guys in the first round of the dance.
by GU.AmericasTeam on Mar 11, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
A couple of observations
1) GU’s overall basketball skill level and maturity in their system of play, is not up to par with past senior dominated teams. That has been a problem for the entire year. It’s not lack of talent. Experience in the GU system comes from time spent on the floor with the same players over and over and over again. Spacing, understanding where to cover, where to switch on"D" who’s rotating when, trusting your teammates to keep to their assignments just to name a few on “D”. Knowing your sets, second and third options, intensity in your play, knowing your scorers, staying within your role, being ready to play at the beginning or off the bench, just to name a few on “O”.
2) Most of the 9 new players on the team this year are not fundementally sound BB players. They’re oozing with talent but lacking in basic skills. That is so obvious! It’s also true with most Freshmen coming in to any program. It’s rare to find young players coming into a program that know how to block out, pass the ball, switch on “D” correctly, understand spacing on the floor and anticipate rather than react! Couple that with the difficult task of learning the GU system and harnessing the individual talent when it wants to take over a game and you have this BB season! There is no reason to break down every player on this team and point out where each stands in those categories. They are who they are.
That is how I view this team when commenting. That is the foundation to my rants and opinions. I’m also fairly confident that if you could get a sit down with this coaching staff, you would be getting a lot of the same with many more added in depth comments about where this team is, BB skill wise! BB IQ to some, Smarts to others.
I believe they’ve exceeded my expectations going into the season and I’m pleasantly excited about their future. As always, JMO
by mikesequim on Mar 11, 2010 8:00 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Well put, Mike.
This team exceeded my expectations earlier in the season but their youth has caught up to them. It will take some amazing individual performances to be successful in the tourney, I am actually more at peace going into the big games with lower expectations than I had when we were ranked in the top ten. I am over the SMC loss and ready to make some noise. I have no expectation of seeing them in Spokane but I just found out that there are still tix available for Salt Lake so my hopes are still (somewhat) alive for the second weekend.
by ZagsFanatic on Mar 11, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
I agree.
Comparing this team with last year’s senior-dominated team is not a fair comparison.
As far as losing to SMU goes, it is almost impossible to beat a team as good as Saint Mary’s three times in one season. It just doesn’t happen.
The object of the game is to put the ball in the basket. SMU shot the lights out. Gonzaga, not so much. SMU attempted 12 more FG’s and 12 more 3 pointers than the Zags. We just didn’t get shots off, and the ones we did get off, we missed nearly 60%.
FYI...
Matt Doherty coaches SMU. Randy Bennett coaches SMC.
On a more related note, anyone with game tape want to go back and track how many of Saint Mary’s shots were uncontested (or not-very-contested), and then track how many of Gonzaga’s shots were attempted in crowds of three or four Gaels? Bennett’s game plan was dynamite, and his players executed it to perfection. Few and Gonzaga never adjusted, and that’s why they lost. At least that’s my vote.
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We took shots in crowds
because of our size advantage. Lots of Zags getting hacked and the refs looking at them like “tough shit, you’re good enough to shoot through that”
We’ve done a lot of overreacting to this 19 point loss. Realistically, we were in a close game until around 14:00 left when Elias was mauled for the third time in the half (second on that possession) and we lost all of our confidence. Tough loss, but if any of you were Elias, would you want the ball down low again? No way.
SMC was playing for their season, we were very much in the game while not playing well, and the 14:00 left sequence followed by Elias getting a foul call when he barely touched Samhan all had to be devastating mentally. It just had to be a dagger seeing Elias get thrown to the ground and then get called for something far less worthy on the defensive end. I give SMC credit for making every big shot they took. Don’t want to blame the refs for the loss, but we couldn’t overcome calls like that to beat them for the third time… it just knocked the wind out of them.
I want to give kudos to the team for keeping their cool through that game. Few should have got a tech after Elias was raped, which I wanted him to do. The coach flipping out is fine, I would have chased the ref down for a “T” on that, but the players keeping their heads is commendable! No late frustration fouls, no hanging heads, it was almost like they had already erased it from memory.
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I, personally, don’t take those kind of shots at others. SMU is supposed to be SMC. I think it is obvious.
Oh jeeze...
A shot? I’m sorry I hurt your feelings.
Go Zags.
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Fundamentally sound
First let me say that just because they were Seniors does not mean they were fundamentally sound.
Pargo cost GU quite a few games BECAUSE of his lack of fundamentals.
Josh..please don’t say he had the fundamentals down. One example..He constantly dropped the ball down to his waist or over dribbled when making a “move” to the basket.
So IMO…
The new guys that actually play:
Harris…not fundamentally sound? This is just not a serious statement..next
Bol Kong..I will agree to a point on Bol but most of what we see is him struggling in an offensive set that does not revolve around him.
Kelly….6’ 11" and passes better than Meech, rebounds better than Sacre.
Gibbs…Zero confidence as is on the “yo yo” rotation. Let him play a bit and I would argue he has some of the best developed fundamentals of all the new guys.
GJ…since being allowed to play, shows he has great handle and can break defenders down. The jury is still out on his decision making ability but that is due to lack of PT.
Manny…This guy should be starting. His understanding of rebounding fundamentals off the charts, makes great decisions on defense and seems just fine with his understanding of moving without the ball as well as when it is in his hands.
So I don’t agree on the second point…But I do agree that this team has not “Drank the kool-aide” when it comes to offensive spacing, ball movement and shot selection.
Just my .02
hahahahaha
I don’t think mattydog73 pays too close attention given the fact that Manny is out for the season. Yea, and Pargo won us more games than he might of cost us but whatever go ahead and bash him. And sorry to say but Elias does need some help in his fundamentals (defense, spin move drives).
hahahaha???...mud against the wall???
Obviously Arop is out…I meant should have.
Also, Pargo lost GU a LOT of games over dribbling, throwing the ball away, playing out of control…..examples? Arizona, Uconn..yeah…you point out a big game Gonzaga played that Pargo “won” for them and I will amend my comment.
Harris needs help on his spin drives??? seriously that does not even deserve a response. His defensive fundamentals are fine..with the exception his understanding of how to both play helpside defense and close out on the shooter…I mention this in my other post…dogging him for not doing this against SMC…I am sure you can find it…
Mike…
We are not that much younger..we start a 20 year old freshman. So we have Harris, 2 sophomores, a junior and a senior….. Last year…in this so called Senior heavy program…We started who…Bouldin a Junior, Gray a sophomore, Daye a Sophomore and then two seniors…and please don’t try to tell me that these Seniors were so much better then what we have now……at times Pargo..yes he could take over a game…but he could also throw a game away….
The only thing that was an advantage was what I agreed with you on..the first point of knowing the program, understanding how to score out of the offense, understanding spacing…Drinking the Mark Few Kool-aide….
I would like to know what fundamentals they are lacking…What about the points I make on each player? These are the “young” ppl you are blaming…and yes I said blaming…what are the fundamentals they lack? And follow up question…what are the fundamentals that they lack that have directly contributed to their losses?
spot on mikesequim
good post, the root of the “issues”…we’re young bottom line. Great play early lifted eveveryone’s expectations.
It's Clobbering Time
I felt sick after the lass to SMU…but now feel excited about GU playing in the Madness. I think they’ll create a little mayhem…The’ve played pretty well on the road this year, unlike some teams in Seattle.The time is right for them to use this break to sharpen up their elbows and kick some ass.
by banditoshagster on Mar 11, 2010 10:17 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Yes!
I want to see our opponents look beaten up after facing GU… within the rules, of course. The second half of the season tended to look more soft (ala 2009) vs what we saw early. Hope they get that back.
by GU.AmericasTeam on Mar 11, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
News on Arop
I’m sure many of you have already read it, but ESPN just posted some info on Arop’s foot and surgery. Apparently he broke his 5th metatarsal and is out for 8 weeks. I was actually relieved to see that it wasn’t a stress fracture, those have a nasty tendency to come back and haunt players for the rest of their careers.
One of two things
One of two things can happen from this lost.
1. They loose their confidence, doubt themselves, and come out and get beat in the first round of the NCAA’s.
2. They can take a long look in the mirror at themselves as individuals and as a team (coaching staff included) and take this loss personally and come out on fire and with aggression and aggressivness on both ends of the court and make a nice run in the NCAA Tourney.
I think #2. This team is as good as any team in the nation when they play with aggression and that “we are going to dominate you” mantality. They have rebounded well from losses all year,. I expect the same after this one.
At one point
At one point you cannot rebound well after a loss. This team needs to string together several of the games you described above.
There are no second chances in the tourney. A bad half or even stretch of bad minutes can get you eliminated.
by GU.AmericasTeam on Mar 11, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
What is the smallest run of wins we had this season after a loss…two or three games I believe and we came out fired up in those games. If this team comes back that same way and wins two or three games in the tourney I think that we could all feel like it was a pretty good season. I’m thinking they will respond to the loss the same way and come out fired up and hungry. That’s when they have played their best. Case in point, look at what they did after losing to USF. Three big wins against three quality teams (Port., Mem. SMC) and one of those on the road in a tough environment with very little rest. Sounds like tourney conditions to me. A repeat performance of that in the tournament would be fantastic!!!
Boy Howdy
I suppose its fine when a team plays every other game….but….that just does’nt bake during tourney time.
One bad half…one bad game…and they can go home and rest and reflect all they want. Yes they show talent but I agree that they lack fundamental skills.
And to get better at something one has to WANT to.
Maybe they will begin defending and making free throws. Can they do this long enough to advance far in the tournament? Who knows?
Lets keep our fingers crossed.
They’ll have to do the rest.
yes! fundamentals!
Fundamentals are what this young team is lacking.
Let’s start with this series of youtube videos. I’ve already emailed these to Mark Few, hopefully he shows them in practice this week.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1E9fiavHAE – the basic chest pass
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-v4GV0RAKw – the bounce pass
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKsJ5yKwWYY – shooting free throws (by Michael Jordan!!!! – Maybe Foster and Sacre can get some extra credit by watching this one a few times)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vautbeMNPhM – Defensive fundamentals (by Quin Snyder!!!)
With these simple fundamental improvements [that the Zags SORELY LACK, I mean just look at the way Elias Harris carries himself on the court], Gonzaga will soon be advancing to the Sweet 16 and beyond.
Unfortunately...
I couldn’t find a youtube video for teaching “desire.” I hope these kids still have it, otherwise we might be in big trouble!!!!
anyway, to be serious...
the original post by the authors of this blog have it pretty spot on. The kind of fundamentals I believe they’re referring to are us getting back to our roots – getting Elias some space to work with down low. Not fundamental “skills.” The roots of how our team has succeeded this year.
Running some plays so Bouldin doesn’t need to drive to the basket and make a stupid shot attempt when 3 guys are collapsing on him.
Getting Gray some open looks when he’s hot.
Opening the lane up for Sacre so he can take a quick shot when he’s deep in the key, or kick it back out to the open man if he’s double teamed.
Near future
Even though there is no audio on this blog, I sometimes reach to turn the volume down. I think we should take a step back, and with a perspective of rational detachment, review what has occurred this season. Two seniors. One junior. Two sophomores.. Five freshman. Maui Classic Championship. Near miss at Michigan State. Goodbye Memphis. Hello Illinois. WCC League Championship. Nine straight wins after the last blowout loss. Six= number of wins to be NCAA Champions. Few have the coach we have.
Peace and God Bless the Zags!
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