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Why a guard in 2010 makes sense

I don't think it is Earth-shattering information to say that Gonzaga is going to be very, very dangerous next season.  When you look at all the inexperience across the board on this team right now, there isn't much else you can feel except for excitement when you think about what is next.  With that being said, the window of opportunity is small.  We've been saying here for a few months now that Matt Bouldin's departure is going to be very, very tough to get past.  The main thing I worry about most is that we are losing a flat out playmaker.  Say what you want about his big game record and how he deals with athletic teams, Matt's baseline consistency throughout his time at Gonzaga has made him one of the best players to ever come through Gonzaga.

When you lose someone like this, you have to expect a hangover.  Think about all the games where Matt's done something to put the Zags over the top.  He shot terribly against Cincy in the Maui title but had double-digit boards, he's blown me away with some of his assists and playmaking all year, and of course his scoring has been solid all season.  Losing him is going to be tough.  What I love about this coaching staff now is that they are being bold to make sure this team doesn't lose the 2010-11 season as they try and cope without #15. 

The recruitment of guys like LaBradford Franklin, or Brandon Dunson, or now with Tony Smith tells me that Mark Few and Co. are sold on what they need next season to be great.  It's as clear as day that they feel they need to do everything they can do somehow plug someone in to this rotation that can make plays in a variety of ways.  I've said before that I couldn't agree more with what the staff is doing in 2010 and, even though it looks like they might be scrambling a bit, I have full confidence that they will get their man.

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If you look at Gonzaga's depth chart for next season, you probably aren't going to say that they have a huge need in the backcourt.  They've got tons of youth on the perimeter and each player in some way or another has shown some flashes that they can take the next step.  They problem is that there has really been no element of consistent play at all by some of the candidates to really have a leap in minutes next year.  The thing that separates mediocre young players from outstanding young players is that they make it impossible for the coach to keep them off the court.  Mark Few did this with Matt Bouldin, he did this with Jeremy Pargo, and you can tell he's just dying to do it with someone on this team.  To this point, no one has answered the call.

I would say that Mangisto Arop has easily been the best bench player in the backcourt this season but even he has some of those games where he looks utterly lost.  Grant Gibbs' minutes have been the most confusing.  Some games he's off the bench early and then he disappears for a road trip.  Before the season started, I expected him to really challenge for 20-25 minutes a game but that has obviously not happened.  I can't say that I'm upset by this because I've never been taken aback by what he brings.  His outside shot has looked pretty average but he, like the others, has shown nice flashes and really works hard.  As far as G.J. and Bol Kong are concerned, I am more hesitant to make any brash comments.  Bol burst on the scene and looked like he was the man to play a boat load of minutes but has since disappeared and G.J. has obviously struggled with a nagging injury and other issues which kept him off the court for a good stretch.

When you see Mark Few pursuing a guard like he is doing right now with this 2010 class, the writing is on the wall.  He knows that he has a damn talented team and is probably looking at this last year with Elias Harris next season.  He's also going to have a seasoned point guard in Demetri Goodson, a very talented senior wing in Steven Gray, and a big man that has tons of talent but just needs more reps in Robert Sacre.  The talent in that core four players is huge and then you have a solid front court rotation with Kelly Olynyk and Sam Dower and is long, athletic, and ready to contribute.  My major concern heading into this 2010 cycle was that Mark Few would scramble to try and find another big man.  That would tell me that A.) Elias Harris could be out the door this year or B.) Sam Dower isn't progressing as well as they'd like.  Sam is obviously gelling well with the team and I think he'll be a force next season, EDZ even thinks he may start next year if Elias is moved to the three.

I'm not asking for a guy like Tony Smith or whoever the staff decides on to come in and start and star on this team.  He can play 15-20 minutes a game to bring some scoring off the bench and I would be a happy man.  You've already got solid options with Mangisto Arop and company but the value of instant offense is huge on a team that is about to lose a "program guy" in Matt Bouldin.  It's going to make the rotation even more congested and it may hurt a few feelings but I think it is a great move by this staff because they want to win NOW.  There's no room to take a year off and let guys continue to develop when you are a high-major program.  The goal is always to win a national championship and if Tony gives us the best chance to do so, I will welcome him with open arms.

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Top 10?

There are list for everything now days. I think that you would have to put him into the top 10 zags of all time. This has been one of the youngest teams Gonzaga has had in 10 to 12 years and he has lead this team to a very good record. He has been the stabilizing force the past two years. He might be the best pure passer of all time. What do you all think?

by bmd23red on Feb 23, 2010 10:39 PM PST reply actions  

I like the idea of a proven, experienced JUCO player

If we do pick up one or more of the star 2011 recruits having a JUCO guard who could contribute and then leave in 2 years sounds pretty appealing.

by ZagsFanatic on Feb 23, 2010 11:22 PM PST reply actions  

2011

We better be able to land a great big guy…cause Olynk, Dower not going to cut it for a center

I agree on the Juco player…he says he looks to contribute in a multitude of ways…seems to me that is what we will miss the most when Matt moves on.

by mattydog73 on Feb 24, 2010 9:41 AM PST reply actions  

My guess for 2011 rotation

PG: Meech/Tony Smith/ Gary Bell Jr.
SG: Arop/ Gibbs/ Gary Bell Jr.
SF: Kong/Olynyk/ Kyle Wiltjer
PF: Dower/ Olynyk/ Wiljer
C: Sacre/Dower

Not a bad looking 10 man rotation….limited minutes for Bell and Wiltjer, with Dranginis for sure redshirting. I don’t think this team lack size….frankly, I think this team is scary good

Final 4 or bust

by Max Mandel on Feb 24, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

you beat me to it by 6 minutes!

But I think by taking the JC guard its telling Wiltjer he will have the opp. for minutes…someplaces won’t be able to say that (sans: Harvard)

by DKZagBlazer on Feb 24, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't want to burst your bubble guy's, but...............

Reality is that Kyle Dranginis is already here and Gary Bell isn’t! Second, I’ve watched them both play, Gary Bell for 3 years and Kyle for 1. Here is my view on both. Gary is much more athletic, quicker and a better defender. Kyle is the smarter player of the 2, see’s the floor better, both are good shooters and ball handlers. DON’T make the mistake of writing Dranginis off as a maturity issue. The kid is simply tough! Gary is just a tad ahead of Kyle in maturity but I expect Kyle to surpass him as a floor leader. JMO. I like everything else though!

by mikesequim on Feb 24, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Dranginis...

Hey Mike I have a question for you regarding Kyle from what you have seen in person….

Do you project him having a Derek Raivio type impact? (Solid player, helps GU continue dominance of WCC, but not the alpha dog on the team)

or

An impact similiar to Stepp/Dickau? (Program great, the alpha dog, in running for All American Status at some point)

by DKZagBlazer on Feb 24, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Kyle

Again, JMO! He is not like any of the ones you mentioned as an individual. He has traits of all and I’m just not the one to ask about the alpha role. Here is what I see and like about him as a player now and in the future:

He’s a hardly recognizable in a crowd type of player. If you walked into the Gym and watched him play in a game and new nothing about him, you would walk out of the Gym afterward talking about how this kid was great in all aspects of the game but…….that must of been a fluke game. He’s slight built, looks younger than Dorian Grey, very unimposing and is a little slow afoot. He’s the best player at his age I’ve watched directing the floor, getting key assists and when necessary, rebounds, scoring and just being around the ball and making plays this year! I’ve watched Gary Bell and all the other main guards in this State as well as some in Oregon and he’s as good as any of them for what he’s been recruited for.

Gary is such an athletic and physically strong player right now and could fit in right away IMO, if GU gets him. Kyle is behind in the physical ability and strength but will mature in 2 more years to catch up, IMO. All other things considered, Kyle shoots as well, rebounds better, passes better and sees the floor develope faster than Gary does right now. I agree with both EDZ and ZB about his “D” right now but I expect it to be better later when he gets stronger.

It’s way too early to think about redshirting him before GU gets to that time period. I think there will be attrition at GU that will cause a serious look to play him as a Freshman. I like the idea of a Redshirt for him if we’re covered with a good “Matt” type of floor leader at that time. All I’m saying is, IMO, watching him play now and expecting him to mature as I think he will between now and 2011, he will play as a Freshman if we don’t get Gary Bell or Meech or Grant or GJ or a JUCO step up!

I believe Coach Glavin said of Matt Bouldin this year while broadcasting a game of Matt’s. “He’s just the type of player that puts a smile on your face” I don’t recall, seriously, watching a player play in my limited opinion, being as fun to watch play as Kyle Dranginis is right now at the HS level. As always, JMO

by mikesequim on Feb 24, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

One more question for Mike

My main issue from the games I watched with Kyle is his defense. He seems to either not really be dedicated on the defensive side or just lacks ideal footspeed to defend on the outside. Do you see the same defensive issues or did I just catch him on a few bad games?

I love everything about his offensive game and really think he is a steal. A redshirt year would be huge for him as far as his measurables are concerned. Redshirt seasons aren’t a bad thing at all. The possibility of a Gary Bell/Kyle Dranginis backcourt down the line has me very excited.

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by Zach Bell on Feb 24, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

In regards to Dranginis

The reason I have him redshirting, is because I believe he could greatly use a year to put on muscle and continue to transform his body….the competition and physicality from high school basketball in Idaho, to the national schedule Gonzaga plays, may be too much for him to handle initially

Final 4 or bust

by Max Mandel on Feb 24, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

To clarify...

I meant who they get out of the 2011 recruiting class…and here is what I mean… The 2011-2012 season. The Zags will have Sacre in his Senior year, and some experienced undersized guys like Olynk and Dower…and will be looking at the prospect of HAVING to bring in a big Freshman out of the 2012 class…If they bring in a big guy out of the 2011 recruiting class they can at least have a Sophmore taking over for Sacre….

So I do not disagree on your rotation for 2011…what I am saying is if we don’t get a big guy in 2011 we will be left with a very green big in 2012 and some undersized guys left to battle underneath the basket…

by mattydog73 on Feb 24, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Give Dower a chance

I’ve never seen him play. I listened to the broadcast of the augustana game in november and he had a good game. I was surprised he redshirted. I want to watch him play the post before I pass judgement.

by Tom117 on Feb 24, 2010 4:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

the Top Ten passers

this sounds like a good post in itself. I think you should create a post to discuss just this. To get things started though I could not name or place the top ten passers. How would they be ranked? Would it be according to assists or to number of just ridiculous plays a la Matt Bouldin at Memphis behind the back under the hoop to Foster for the jam? Or would it be the creation of offense? As we well know most of our current offense runs through Bouldin. For the younger crowd ( myself included) I do not think we have seen such a consistent passer or play creator in the past five years.

by Zagfan10 on Feb 24, 2010 11:18 AM PST reply actions  

Opens the door for Wiltjer if they go guard in 2010 too

Doesn’t clog the front court with a so-so JC big and it allows him the opportunity to contribute right away…as a 5 star recruit should be able to..

Front Court would consist of: (assuming Harris leaves in 2011)

Sacre as a Senior (5)
Kelly as a Jr. (3/4)
Sam as a RS Soph. (4/5)
Wiltjer Frosh (4)

There will be some minutes to go around. I hope he realizes this when he is choosing GU vs. KU. The Morris bro’s will be seniors his first year as well as a freshman forward on the current team who will be a Jr. when he arrives = No playing time (ask Micah)

by DKZagBlazer on Feb 24, 2010 11:38 AM PST reply actions  

Tony Smith?

Begs the question why Gibbs and GJ in the first place were recruited in the first place is the strategy is now to recruit over then with a JUCO and later with 2011 players. Were they recruited for the practice squad along with yound Stockton? If the talent was misjudged with GG and GJ is it now corrected with Smith? If we have a complex system that takes a year to leard is the benefit really there with a JUCO?

Spudzag

by Spudzag on Feb 24, 2010 3:44 PM PST reply actions  

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