Rollin' on E: Why this is the best Zags team ever.
Since our 1999 run to the Elite Eight, the college basketball world has unanimously viewed that team as the best in Gonzaga history. While many Zag fans will try and argue other teams (2000, 2001, 2006, 2009) are the best we have had, I am going to clear up that this 2009-2010 group is indeed the best to play here, by far.
One Elite Eight finish, followed by four more Sweet Sixteen appearances in ten years. Phenomenal. This program has taken some heat for running into that Sweet Sixteen "wall", but in reality, five trips to the round of 16 in eleven years is an accomplishment for any program. Haters from bigger schools try to paint Gonzaga's lack of a Final Four trip as a testament to their mid-major status and absence of real talent and competition. It's good that us Gonzaga fans don't care in the least about what other programs' supporters think about our team because we know it's pure jealousy, but, isn't it required that a "powerhouse" should have a National Title, or at least a recent Regional Final appearance?
There are many reasons that we have fallen flat on our face compared to expectations in the past decade. Obviously, it is very hard to improve when we are essentially playing Washington 4A high school teams in the WCC, but it goes a little deeper than that. Each previous Zag team over this 12-year joyride has had a distinct offensive identity, whether it be a style of offense or an individual player. We made the 1999 run out of surprise, that was lucky no matter how you view it. Teams that should lose in the first round can make it to the Sweet Sixteen by shooting lights out and surprising teams with certain wrinkles in the offense like we did, but what if Minnesota had seen us play 15 times already?
We haven't had top line talent, so the thing that is benefitting our program most may also be why we have this Sweet Sixteen "curse." The ESPN contract. Seeing as we aren't overwhelming physically, we need to have a crisp offensive plan and execution to knock off bigger teams. I think teams are figuring us out through seeing us play so many games on national TV. They get to see how we perform in every situation from close games on the road in conference to marquee games where we are the underdog. It is a very unique situation, and I think we have always been aware of the risk of overexposing our gameplans and styles because the reward for this is that you should eventually get players through the ESPN contract that can overcome the gap. But we never got him, until now.
Elias Harris is the reason why this is the best team Gonzaga has ever had. We started out with heady, gutsy, tough players who didn't have complete skill sets or great talent and athleticism. Then we take the opposite end of the spectrum, last year. We had nothing but talent, but the toughness aspect had disappeared and the team expected their recruiting rankings to carry them. While they made the round of 16, they fell well short of the preseason Final Four hopes.
Finally, in 2010, we have the guy that can change this team's mentality and break down the wall. We have had pure hustle guys and great scorers, but never in the same guy. This team has an energy I have never seen from Gonzaga. We have a great half court point guard in Bouldin, an all-around scorer in Steven Gray, a formidable center in Sacre, and the 'answer': Elias. We have had teams with great guard play. We have had teams with a great post. This year is the one that we actually have both, with some depth inside. In the early years, an off day for the backcourt was going to result in a loss, period. The last 3 years, all you had to do to beat us was force us to play in the half-court. Now we have it all. A team that can run and shoot, and at last we have the inside play to grind out games when jump shots won't fall.
Elias is not perfect, although he seems like it sometimes. Without him, we would have another WCC championship and an early exit in March. He is that guy that bigger schools have that can single-handedly take down a lesser team, and he takes an unbelievable amount of pressure off of Sacre and the guards.
Even though this team could fall in the Sweet Sixteen, it is easily the most dangerous team GU has produced due to the combination of talent and chemistry they have displayed, not to mention they are the first GU team in a long time to actually improve through conference play.
....thoughts?
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I couldn't agree more
I think the only thing that can hurt us this year is if our youth comes back to bite us. But if the hustle is there, the defense is solid, the turnovers are down, and the Matty B and E show are in full force – LOOK OUT. Competion at the top is not as strong this year, so the road to the Final Four is definitely a possibility.
by trufflshuffl on Feb 16, 2010 10:33 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Don't forget Spokane
I agreed with trufflshuffl’s point on our overall youth being a potential weakness. I think the advantage of playing the first two rounds in Spokane could alleviate that and, if all goes right, put this team in a position to win another game or two.
Getting two tournament W’s in front of a high % GU fan base would certainly energize the team, young and old. The stars could align here… but I am an optimist.
by GU.AmericasTeam on Feb 17, 2010 9:13 AM PST reply actions
The youth
is scary, but I downplay our inexperience because this is the most battle tested group of freshmen in the NCAA in a long time. Starting off at Michigan St., winning a tournament, having your worst nightmare happen in the worst venue at MSG, and wins over NCAA hopefuls in front of 17,000+ on the road (twice). I could see the youth being a problem even with this quick immersion into the national BB landscape, but how many legitimate experienced teams are really out there?
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another point on the youth
Manny and Kelly- Both played at the FIBA U-19 Championships while representing their country
Elias- Played for the German National Team at the European championships
These three guys have all played in HUGE and IMPORTANT games so far…the NCAA Tournament will not overwhelm them
Final 4 or bust
by Max Mandel on Feb 17, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
that's what i'm hoping for
a different kind of youth that can withstand this kind of pressure and stage. i definitely think that if any group of kids can handle it, it’s this group due to their prior experience along with the ups and downs they’ve experienced and adjusted well to this year.
by trufflshuffl on Feb 17, 2010 11:26 PM PST up reply actions
Experience is tough to quantify
I’d say this team’s experience is having every team in your conference trying to knock you off, and non-conference opponents looking at you as a resume builder. That is pretty good experience.
Youth is different from experience in my mind.
by GU.AmericasTeam on Feb 17, 2010 10:45 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Good piece
Well written, these guys are capable of doing some big things! I like the title too, lol. Kind of how I feel when I watch this team…
Grow a pair, Romar.
by UofWashRoadWarriors on Feb 18, 2010 12:59 PM PST reply actions
FTs and Elias getting figured out.
Those are the two reason I can’t totally get on board with this notion. This teams is so bad at the line. It’s a bigger weakness that youth. While we can sneak by WCC teams with the flaw, I’m very fearful it’s going to come back and haunt them in the NCAAs.
As for Elias – love the guy, but I think he’s hit the freshman wall. He just hasn’t been the same dominant force the past 3 weeks. He’s still getting some nice stats, but just watching the games, he isn’t playing on the level he was late-December/early-January. I think teams have sort of started to figure him out. They know he’s gonna lower his shoulder and try and go through guys. He’s tries to get the foul a little too much and hasn’t been getting as many calls lately. I think he can regain his swagger, but for now I’m slightly concerned.
Sorry Soundpound!
Casey was tougher! Cory was tougher! Better free throw shooters, stronger rebounders and much better defenders. The guards were every bit as good and I might say better shooters. This team has the athletic edge but thats it! That years team as Seniors and Juniors and Soph’s was better than this years team. Now, if these guys stay tgether for 2 more years, I’m with you, maybe! Bold statement Soundpound, wrong, but bold!
Maybe EDZ or ZB could ask Coach Few and the staff their opinion? I already know what they would say but it would be fun to hear from them, Huh? JMO
Good post though!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sequim, nice. Shoutin' down the road from PA!
I think [what REAL Sounders fans call Qwest!] made a better point. S/he went on for way longer, but how can you look past this:
“We made the 1999 run out of surprise, that was lucky no matter how you view it. Teams that should lose in the first round can make it to the Sweet Sixteen by shooting lights out and surprising teams with certain wrinkles in the offense like we did, but what if Minnesota had seen us play 15 times already?”
-The ESPN contract is huge. Even most zag fans couldnt name 5 players on that 1999 team before they qualified for the NCAA’s. Weren’t Minnesotas best players out due to suspension? That was so lucky no one knew who these guys were.
I think the author was trying to say how this team deals with as much or more exposure to other coachs eyes and still will end up with fewer losses against better opposition than the 99 team. When you really look at it, the 99 team would blend in with the other 5 sweet 16 tms if that crazy tip-in wouldn’t have fallen. To compare the 99 guards to the ones we have now is pointless, these guys Boldin and Gray are better than santo and frahm. I would take this team over any other one we have had, but that would just be MO.
Grow a pair, Romar.
by UofWashRoadWarriors on Feb 18, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
but the 1999 team was better at FTs.
Grow a pair, Romar.
by UofWashRoadWarriors on Feb 18, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
Being from PA, I understand your reasoning. Wrong, but I understand it.
Better opposition? I’ve seen both teams play and I like the older boy’s better. You are actually telling me that this years team with 10 NEW players, as a team are a better TEAM? Really? Did you go to School in PA?
mike
read my last paragraph in the fanpost. That’s what I meant by “team” I didn’t mean most quantified experience in terms of games played or years completed. Just because Casey’s toughness showed more than his talent in comparison to Elias doesn’t mean he was tougher. Try going with “disagree because..” instead of “wrong”, it comes off like you’re trying to talk down when this is a blog and we all have our opinions. We will see how far they go…
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I'm not politically correct.
The reason I do disagree is because your whole foundation for your post declaring this years team is the best ever in your first paragraph is flawed. No reason to sugar coat it. Listen, if you believe that a team with 9 newcomers in a system like GU’s is better than a team that went to the elite 8 ……………? Blanket statements like yours is an opinion because there are no fundemental facts to back them up. If you write them like it is some kind of fact, back it up. “I am going to clear up the FACT that this 2009-2010 group is the best to lay here, by far.” You wrote that not me. FACT is the operative word there isn’t it? I could care less what opinions you have or anybody else for that matter because on this blog disagreeing on opinions is great but not FACTS! If you state a fact of matter thats proveable, great! Just don’t get confused on what facts are and opinions are. Talking down? Nope, pointing out the obvious.
Soundpound as I’ve said before, I love your posts, they’re a great read. However, if your going to state facts, I expect them to be that if you say they are. For me this wouldn’t have been an issue if you would’ve said. “IMO” and not stated it as a fact.
You take it how you want to, I still enjoy your posts.
So if this team makes the Elite Eight
it’s a fact. It’s not like I lied.
Isn’t everything on here opinion? I’m not getting paid for this so I assumed everything was taken as opinion. What if you take out “the fact” from that sentence? It’s got to be a much better read that way.
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Wow.
I can’t necessarily agree, but I can’t disagree.
This all came back around to my TEAM comment on the rankings. We do have a solid team to take us far, hopefully. The chemistry has finally showed up over the last two or three weeks, however, I think we need more boards from Elias. He isn’t getting anything but points down low. He’s the key to success.
Can't completely agree/disagree?
That’s what I like to hear. Sounds like it comes down to how one values a team.
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lesson learned
thanks, Seth. it’s a hard lesson to take on the chin, but I won’t make this mistake again.
with a young team, we have to temper our expectations and the emotions that come with a few good games.
by GU.AmericasTeam on Feb 19, 2010 8:19 AM PST reply actions
HAHA
I never said they were gonna win out. We lost 2 WCC games in 1999… that team was a 10 seed this year’s team is STILL better than in 1999.
It’d be a jinx if I said: “we will win out even if the team doesn’t try and Matt and Steve can’t shoot all on the same night.” I still stand by what I said up there, we had a bad night coupled with a miracle for LMU. No biggie.
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Sacre stepping it up
I don’t know if this is the best zags team or not, but i think if he keeps proving himself rob could be one of the best bigs they’ve had. Really though it’s hard to compare him to the other greats (Turiaf, Casey, just to mention a couple) but imo with his size, strength, shot blocking ability and continued madman like playing style we could see him starting for a NBA team in a few years. All opinion
Defense has been great!
I’ve been impressed with his mobility on the defensive end lately. I don’t know where that came from — maybe he’s been saving the best for last this season. He’s been Oh – So effective when he doubles on a guard way outside the perimeter.
His shot blocking is something else we didn’t see much of earlier in the year.
Way to step up Rob!!
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