Trio of Games Presents Huge Opportunity
With wins against Baylor and Xavier, this Gonzaga team has shown a toughness and level of improvement that I frankly didn't think was possible after watching the "Pillaging in Pullman" (patent pending on that title). However, unlike in previous seasons, this group has shown the ability to win games on the defensive end, and even win games by exhibiting more toughness than their opponent. I think one of the key reasons for this mentality is the improved play of Robert Sacre and the clearly healthier Elias Harris. In all honesty, the Zags are at their best with this group when they decide to play from the inside-out, thus allowing excellent shooters like Steven Gray and the Hoff to exploit open looks. With all this said, the upcoming set of three games will go a long way to defining whether this team is as good as it has flashed in recent weeks, and also whether the discussion of an at-large berth in the NCAA Tournament might be realistic.
I'm not going to sit here and pretend that Lafayette, Oklahoma St. and Wake Forest is some outlandishly difficult trio of games, but instead want to focus on what sweeping this set of games could mean. With wins in all three matchups, the Zags would enter WCC play on a six-game winning streak, including wins over three teams that should hear their names called on Selection Sunday. A 10-5 record against a schedule that has included San Diego St., Kansas St., Notre Dame, Marquette, Xavier, Washington St., Oklahoma St. and Wake Forest is nothing to scoff at, especially when you factor in injuries to Elias Harris and Steven Gray, as well as a seemingly endless experimentation with the rotation.
The main thing I want to see in these three games heading into WCC play is a set rotation so that an understanding of individual roles can develop. I think the one thing that isn't up for debate is the starting 5 which will look like this:
PG: Meech Goodson
SG: Steven Gray
SF; The Hoff
PF: Elias Harris
C: Rob Sacre
Beyond that is where the question marks arise. No matter what some of our loyal readers may suggest, I don't think David Stockton can see the floor, especially when this team is so committed to being strong on the defensive end. Stockton is an excellent walk-on option for this team, but I can't emphasize how big of a liability he is on the defensive end. Opposing point guards drool when they see Stockton matched up with them, so until he gets stronger and quicker, there is no excuse for him to be on the floor. Therefore, I see a backcourt rotation featuring Marquise Carter, Manny Arop and Mathis Keita all playing extended minutes. I would like to see a base six-man rotation on the perimeter, with the hot hand seeing extended playing time at PG and SF.
The post rotation is something that is incredibly difficult to setup. Every time I am ready to completely dismiss Kelly Olynyk, which in all honesty usually occurs the first time he misses a point black layup, he puts together a sequence like he did against Baylor. My big issue in figuring out the rotation revolves around the fact that I think Harris and Sacre are the keys for how far this group can go in March. No matter how inconsistent he has been in trying to return to form, Elias is the most talented and athletic guy on this team, and one guy I would consider to be a game-breaker. Sacre has finally morphed himself into an intelligent and confident player in the post, who is able to slow down and survey the court without turning the ball over. With those two being so important in the success of this team, I would like to see each playing 28-34 minutes per game. That doesn't leave much action for Olynyk and Sam Dower. However, I don't like the thought of keeping a guy who is such a naturally gifted scorer like Dower on the bench. While his defense leaves a lot to be desired, it's tough to consistently sit a guy gets buckets so quickly. I think the staff needs to find 8-12 minutes a game for both Olynyk and Dower, which in most games should present itself because of foul trouble.
I'll be the first to admit that this season has been a roller-coaster in terms of how I feel about the long-term succees of this group. At the start of the season I thought this group was a Top 10 caliber team, while after the loss to Washington St. I openly told Zach I was looking forward to catching the CBI on HDNet. After seeing some true adjustments by the coaching staff, mainly on the defensive end of the court, I am closer to a glass half full approach. I just can't help but notice how athletic this group can be and how many different looks the coaching staff can throw at opponents. The potential of this group is clear, but the big question is whether that potential can be harnessed and developed in two months. That is why these three games will provide such a litmus test for this young group and should give fans a clear depiction of whether or not this is a team that will join the great teams of previous season, or instead be forgotten the minute the season ends.
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Yo....Maxamundo!
Good post!
I just can’t see us doing much of anything with this group of guards. Doesn’t matter whose playing, either. I think Sam will get his minutes because Elias and Rob and KO are HORRIBLE at avoiding fouls!!!!! I would love to see Elias get 32-36 min. a game but he just can’t stay on the floor. I would agree with you about the need for “E” being the guy but I’m thinking, no Rob, no tourney! He’s the catalyst, IMO. Good info, thanks
Meech
still think he can hold his own against a lot of guards across the country. He did turn the ball over too much last game but Mike you have to admit he’s shown signs this year of being an above average PG. With Steven coming back healthy we can beat some teams out there. We just beat two pretty good teams with better backcourts than ours! Steven will hopefully have some fire under him seeing how well his counterparts played without him.
It 's not because I don't like them.....they're just not good guards!
Meech is playing to his potential this year and so is Steven, that’s the point. I love the the kids but they are what they are, IMO. Doesn’t make them bad!!!
Oh yes, on a positive note: Gary Bell had 33pts. 8rbs. 8assists last night against one of the top HS teams in the Country, Mater Dei.
I am not saying they are bad...
just not good. ummm…uhuh…
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Bulletin Board material
Max you are entitled to your own opinion on Stockton. I personally think that if you knew anything about the Stockton family you would understand that they take comments such as yours as motivation to prove you wrong. John gave his kids a huge dose of competitive fire. I have been watching them in parochial league, YMCA and AAU.
Maybe that is your subtle strategy here.
I sure hope he reads this and tries proving us wrong
however he will not bulk up within this season just not enough time and next season we have a trio of extremely promising guards: Bell Jr, Pangos, and KD along with carter and Meech back. He will not see the floor next year because even though his name is the equivalent of Ceasar on campus, he is not his father. And like Max sad he should not be seeing the floor this year either.
by twimberly23 on Dec 29, 2010 12:23 AM PST up reply actions
Wouldn't any family feel the same
About these types of comment? Well, any supporting family anyways. I hope the Stocktons rally around DS.
I agree with you Max, on the front court for the next three games. We should ride Sacre and E all the way home. Once we get in to WCC, that’s a whole different ballgame.
by GU.AmericasTeam on Dec 29, 2010 7:19 AM PST up reply actions
Stockton is a D liability
that is a fact that no amount of motivation is going to correct. He is 5’10" and 150 lbs…put him in against OK State and he will have footprints on his chest. He is a good walk on who has gotten way too many minutes already…thanks to Meech foul issues and Carter being a bust.
Think of it this way…you are a 6’3" PG going about 190…and you are going to be guarded by DS an under 6’ / 150 lb walk on freshman who is on the team because of his last name….would you be drooling? Tu Hollow sure was.
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There is no way in hell he's 5'10" by the way. That's one of the more generous height listings ever.
10 - 5 equals 14 - 0
Considering the rest of the WCC is, in terms of talent, is somewhere between…say…Eastern Wash and…..hmmmm….Xavier (???) leaves me with the same “half full” mentality.
Oh, and regarding Stockton, you can’t hide the obvious. Both the kid and the old man know he needs to add bulk. He’ll be ok.
Very doubtful because...
…of the way our WCC brethren can shoot the 3…Portland and St. Mary’s will be tough, mainly on the road.
Fun, fun, fun.....the next couple of days!
I’m excited about the next couple of games. The OSU game on New Year’s Eve will be problematic. The Cowboys have played well when I’ve watched them on television. They rebound very well and they attack the glass. Keiton Page is a long rang bomber that can light it up if given the open looks and Marshall Moses has been a beast inside. We really need to neutralize these two guys. I think we match up pretty well with OSU. The fact that we will be playing in Spokane, leads me to believe we will win this game, although it may be close. The Wake Forest game is another matter. We will be playing on their home court and having to travel across the country in a day, which will not make it easy. We beat Baylor on a neutral court, but beating an ACC team on their home floor will be tough. If we sweep the next 3 games, it should really set us up well for the WCC play that begins next week.
Good luck to the Zags!
Wake is really, really, REALLY bad this season.
They’ve lost to Stetson, Winthrop, VCU and Presbyterian at home, and UNC Wilmington on a neutral floor. The Zags should cruise in that game even if it is on the road. Kenpom predicts an 83-73 win with 82% confidence.
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The Blue Hose & Hatters?
Don’t forget they travel approx 3000 miles with approx 37 hours to rest and play at 10:00 am our time against a ACC team on their floor. I don’t care how bad WF is this year this is going to be a tough game to win.
It DEFINITELY will be.
I forgot to add coming off a physical game vs OAK ST. Pomeroy doesn’t figure in the things I mentioned. (rest, travel, time difference, etc.) The last time GU traveled way down there and played bright-and-early (our time) was in the NCAA’s vs Davidson. (08) Remember what happened? Don’t get me wrong, I’m a Zag Fan through-and-through but I really think they lose this one. I HOPE I’M WRONG!!
There are certainties in college basketball
but the likelihood of WF giving us a game is the same as Oregon State winning the Pac 10. I think you are holding on to the fantasy that this year’s WF team resembles the WF team that beat us in the kennel last year. The competitiveness of a team does not depend on what conference you play in (as us Zag fans should well know) it is based on that individual team’s body of work. I urge you to go and take a closer look at their body of work.
Exactly.
Wake is a basketball school with a proud tradition but Al Faruq-Aminu, TIm Duncan and Chris Paul aren’t suiting up for them. This season they in the running with Oregon State as the worst BCS school.
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I refuse to have a battle of wits...
On paper the Zags win easily. GAMES ARE NOT PLAYED ON PAPER!!! We’re talking a 3-hour time difference playing at a time WHEN MOST OF THESE GUYS ARE STILL SLEEPING!!! The Zags SHOULD win but there are factors against them. Whatever the case I’ll bet WF at least covers the spread.
It is well understood that games are not played on paper
however as sports fan we do something called projections where you look at statistics and a teams overall body of work to predict who will win the game. You are right that we could go in to their stadium and suffer a humiliating upset but again the LIKELIHOOD or PROBABILITY of that happening are slim to none. As college athletes/students at a university as esteemed as Gonzaga, I am sure they can manage to get enough rest in the 37 hour span to not make us fall back to the state of panic we were in not two weeks earlier.
...with an unarmed opponent
Again your projection is “ON PAPER.”
OK, lets take for example the NBA. When a team plays two nights in a row on the road what happens on the second night?
Another thing, I never stated the Zags will lose. I stated it would be tough to win and I THINK they lose. I also stated: “I hope I’m wrong.”
I also stated: “WF with the points.” Meaning the Zags will probably be favored by 5-6 points but may very well win by 2.
As for the Davidson game, the Zags were the superior team. But because of “non-paper factors” (i.e. playing at 9:00 am and in DAV backyard) they lost.
One more thing; Coach Few even questions the logic in scheduling this game. I wonder why?
hmmmm
I remember what happened…they played a Davidson team that featured Stephen Curry and nearly pulled off the win…..not sure what your point is….but let me take a shot….a long plane trip and an early start time equals a loss regardless the quality of the opponent?
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No it's not. You underestimate how terrible Wake is.
It’d be as bad as losing a conference game to a non-Portland or St. Mary’s team.
The Oklahoma State game is huge in terms of an at large bid.
It’s one of four potentially resume building wins left on the schedule, St. Mary’s twice and Memphis being the others. The other two games are more about building consistency heading in to conference play more than they add anything to the overall body of work.
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The Zags absolutely need these 3
because they still don’t have a quality win imo. Baylor was vastly overrated and loses 2 of 3 after their loss to the Zags, and aside from a win over Butler (quality win), Xavier has done nothing either. JMO
pretty sure you'll see things differently
by end of year. Marquette, Xavier, and Baylor will be good resume builders. Am watching ND V Hoyas, go ND
by mattzag72 on Dec 29, 2010 4:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Watched this one too...
ND won going away…by 16 was it? Does make me feel better about the GU loss by 4…
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