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Wednesday Open Thread: Who are you relying on to step up?

Whether you liked or disliked last year's Gonzaga team, the one great thing was that there was no shortage of offensive firepower.  On any given night, you could get big performances from up to six players.  The four current professionals (Austin, Micah, Jeremy, and Josh) as well as our two holdovers (Matt and Steven) could all fill it up on last year's squad.  While I think we can all agree that the character of this team is better than last season, you can't argue that teams like last year don't come along too often. 

Heading into our 20th game of the 2009-10 season, I think one of my biggest worries is that we are relying on our big three a bit too much.  In case you've been under a rock, those three are Matt Bouldin, Steven Gray, and Elias Harris.  They account for 57% of our points, 42% of our rebounds, about 56% of our assists, and dominate countless other statistical categories.  Obviously these three have all had outstanding seasons with these kind of stats.  The other two starters, Robert Sacre and Demetri Goodson, have shown flashes of decent offensive play and the bench has been more of the same.   Grant, Manny, Bol, and Kelly have all impressed from time to time but it has all lacked consistency and their minutes have reflected that.

With all this being said, my question to all of our readers is: What player are you most confident in outside of Gonzaga's big three to make valuable contributions as we head closer and closer to March?

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I'll start us off

and say that, first of all, I’m not ridiculously confident in any singular player coming up big but if I am most confident in Bol Kong. I still think Kong needs to get a bit for confidence instilled in him from the staff to let him know that he can create his own shot on offense. We’ve heard all along that he is an outstanding scorer that can do things all over the court. We saw this earlier in the year and up until about the Oklahoma game when he was sensational but it has dropped off a bit recently. Kong has the ability to create match up issues on offense and his defense has really progressed since the start of the year.

Manny and Kelly aren’t far behind but I still think Kong has the offensive explosiveness to be big down the stretch.

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by Zach Bell on Jan 27, 2010 8:43 AM PST reply actions  

I'd Have to Agree

If its scoring we are talking about, I think I have the most confidence in Bol to just keep shooting. Because he can hit the 3, he can fill it up on any given night. But the question is who will contribute, so if I need a big rebound, my man is Manny. Dude can just rebound. If I need a big defensive effort then it is also Manny. But if I need a guy to come in and run the offense I pick Grant. Grant can shoot at times, he also has great vision and seems to find the open guy.

As I write this, I realize that there are 3 guys that this team can lean on off of the bench, all for different, but very important reasons.

Whats a little disconcerting is that none of those three guys are fellow starters with the big 3. I have such little confidence in our other 2 starters. Well, I have confidence in them, confidence to turn the ball over. Rob still hasn’t figured out the double team and Meech just scares the tar out of me.

by GoZags09 on Jan 27, 2010 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Kelly's my Man!

I’ve been a big fan of Kelly Olynyk since the beginning of the season for a number of reasons. I think his motor is always working and he attacks the boards with a scrappiness that I wish all the Zags possess. With his size and moblity and his desire, he is now good and will become even better with experience, The thing that impresses me is his hands. The guy can really catch the ball when thrown in the post and he also snatches the ball securely when rebounding. He’s got good form on his free throws, although his concentration seems lacking at times. However, he’s not the only Zag with this mental problem. He shoots well from mid-range in and I think he’ll be a more consistent scorer as the season progresses. He’s going to be a real jewel of a player before his career at Gonazaga is over.

by Zag Man on Jan 27, 2010 9:11 AM PST reply actions  

He used to scare me a lot more

I feel like his first few games he would play like 4 minutes and get 4 fouls and that scared me, but lately I have been more and more impressed with him and he really seems to have stepped up.

by AlwaysaZag on Jan 28, 2010 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Meech

I’ve been defending him all season long from the likes of guys like Mike in Sequim. After watching Kentucky v. South Carolina I am even more convinced that Meech’s intensity and on ball defensive pressure can propell us further than a sweet sixteen. I am not convinced if we saw the likes of a Devin Downey, without Meech in his grill all game long we could be victorious. And I am 100% certain without Meech hounding John Wall all game we could even be in the same league as Kentucky! Meech brings so many intangibles to the floor that don’t show up on the stat line! Matt, Steven, Grant, are all nice ball players, but are limited when it comes to on ball defense! Meech is the best we’ve seen in this category ever at GU! I am confident that baring foul trouble we can now defend great point guards. All of our previous point guards that I can remember except for Matt Santangelo were a liability on the defensive end against the elite point guards! Meech will come along on the offensive end, Mark Few and Co. will develop that! He has a nice rotation and a soft shot, just no confidence right now. His mistakes are common mistakes from young point guards. I even saw Super Fresh John Wall make 2 crucial turnovers down the stretch that cost KU the game last night. I don’t want to go back to the program that is sweet sixteen bound every year. To go beyond that like our 99 team you have to be extremely good on the defensive side of the ball. And defensive pressure starts with guards and Meech is our man!

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by montanazag on Jan 27, 2010 9:26 AM PST reply actions  

Meech

didn’t do so well defending Vernon Teel, 27 points; Keon Bell, 37 points; Dellavadova, 23 points. All guards. What makes you think he can guard John Wall?

Tom117

by Tom117 on Jan 27, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I believe most of their scoring was done after a switch and not on Meech directly?

by cgzag on Jan 27, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Defense

Teams have realized that Meech’s inept offense is equal to his solid defense. What this means is they really gameplan for him on both sides. With guys like Teel and Bell that are focal pieces of their respective teams, they run a lot of quick screens to attract a switch and let them work against guys like Rob, Elias, or Matt. Love these three guys, but they aren’t great on defense. They exposed their weaknesses and I think if you watch again, a lot of Bell’s points came when he was matched up against Matt or other players that aren’t cut out to handle this.

I’m not saying Meech is perfect on defense because I have noticed at times he overextends himself on the ball and rides guys down the lane but he’s without a doubt our best on ball defender. He made life hell for Brandon Johnson and I think his importance is huge. The problem with him and Rob being big factors is that they haven’t been getting a ton of minutes lately. Meech seems to be a 20-25 minute per game player now.

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by Zach Bell on Jan 27, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

One more factor about defense

Any great defender is only as good as the help defense he receives. What I mean by this is that if Meech, or any other guard, forces their man baseline, it’s up to a big man or rotating guard to provide some help defense. If this help defense doesn’t happen quick defense, a guy can get an open look up.

Final 4 or bust

by Max Mandel on Jan 27, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

An area where Bouldin and Sacre can lead and be effective,

even if they have a bad offensive night, perhaps?

Help defense… that’s a big issue that I hadn’t really caught on to. Good point EDZ.

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by SoundPound on Jan 27, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Meech saw limited time against these guys.

And when he did guard them he recieved some bogus calls! We flat out aren’t able to be as physical in the WCC as we are able to be outside our conference. (That hurt’s us, and helps guys like Teel, and Bell, Dellavadova was guarded by Matt, Steven, Meech checked Mickey McConnel most of the night and shut him down. And again guarded Teel and Bell very litlle! If you watch the tape, most of there scoring was not against Meech!

by montanazag on Jan 28, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

BobSac

I agree that Bol, Manny, and KO have a lot of potential, and I think they will develop into great players, but will probably need the offseason to really get better. This year though, I think for our team to succeed in March, we need Sacre to step up again. He has the moves and the touch, I think he’s just lost some confidence. If he can work on finding the open man when he gets doubled instead of turning it over and get back to being more aggressive on both ends, then the rest will take care of itself. I am fine if he is only getting 8 pts per game if he’s also getting 8-10 rebounds per game. He just needs to boost his aggressiveness up (and of course work on FT’s along with the rest of the team).

On a side note, I definitely prefer this year’s team over last year’s. Despite the defensive slump we’ve been in the last few games, this team has shown the ability to play outstanding defense, and that makes for much better basketball.

by BW2020 on Jan 27, 2010 9:27 AM PST reply actions  

Agreed!

Sacre is the key to going deep into the tourney. He needs some confidence to overcome the double team. Every team in the USA knows that Sacre can’t handle the double team. It is frustrating to see him fumble bumble around with hand slaps at the ball when he should have just turned and shot it when he got the pass. He needs a confidence building break away performance.

To answer the question, it has to be Sacre.

Tom117

by Tom117 on Jan 27, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

It HAS TO BE Sacre

We need a consistent post threat in order to effectively utilize our other weapons and spot shooters like Bol Kong. Against Michigan St. the guy looked like a monster and bled confidence. He has the strength and athleticism to be a real threat against defenses, and an indispensable tool within our offense. If we can get half of that effectiveness back, I’ll be happy and I see a sweet-16 in our future.

Off the bench, I’d like to see Bol be a step-up player. I already see Manny as an effective scoring and rebounding threat, and I don’t think Few is looking for more than he is already getting from him. However, if Bol is able to really gain some confidence in his game and expand his effect to within the arc, he will be a very dynamic threat that will cause innumerable match-up problems.

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by Zagnificent on Jan 27, 2010 10:42 AM PST reply actions  

I'm counting on Easy E, Matty, and Steven.

What more do you need? Offensively we are fine we just need some better defense and the Sweet 16 is a lock. Best offensive team we have ever had, if you scrap ’06 because it was one guy…

But Sacre needs to come out of conference play looking more like the start of the season. What happened to his confidence and scoring ability? Must be a confidence issue, or he misunderstood when the coaches told him that E is the guy.

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by SoundPound on Jan 27, 2010 11:36 AM PST reply actions  

Sacre

Its really time for Rob to step up and be the player I thought he was going to be coming into the season. He’s big….he’s tall….he’s strong. He should be a force inside and at times he has done so, but he needs to do so game in and game out. Come on Rob, keep the ball high and go hard to the rim!

by jafan on Jan 27, 2010 11:49 AM PST reply actions  

SACRE!!

Transplanted Zag Fan here. Relocated to N.CAL (St. Marysville) 10 years ago. My viewing is limited. Anyway, against Mich. St. I about SMP when I saw Sac throw up a jump-hook. I love that shot and I can’t believe more players don’t use it. Think about it: Of all the points Kareem scored what percentage came from the Sky Hook? 90 -95%? Granted the JH is not the SH but still… If Sac can develop that shot then Meech can go scoreless the rest of the season. Along with the rest of the bench.
ps Love your site. Just joined today.

by sjpacello on Jan 27, 2010 12:25 PM PST reply actions  

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