Elias Harris knows no bounds as Gonzaga outlasts Saint Mary's
Often times in sports, players and events are assaulted with ridiculous superlatives and nonsensical sayings. Tonight, there weren't enough words in the English dictionary to throw at Gonzaga freshman Elias Harris. We've been praising Harris all season long but tonight he took his game to a completely different stratosphere. In the most intimate road atmosphere Gonzaga will play in all season, Harris showed the poise of a senior and led the Gonzaga Bulldogs to an enormous road win over Saint Mary's, 89-82.
In total, the German power forward scored 31 points on 13-20 shooting. His insanely efficient offensive play aside, Harris also pulled down 13 rebounds, five coming on the offensive end. I also believe he had three, or possibly four, enormous dunks on second chance opportunities and alley-oops. His dunks were just a small piece of his evening. Harris hit from all over the court, including a three-pointer and a number of smooth mid-range jumpers to go along with his flurry of drives to the rack. He's molding himself into the total package offensively and you'd have to be a raving cynic to critique his importance to this team tonight.
Harris' great night was even sweeter, and more important, because it came opposite of Omar Samhan also having a monstrous game. The player every Gonzaga fan loves to hate responded from an early hard foul committed by Robert Sacre to score 31 points on 13-22 shooting. Samhan was exceptional in his own right and also had 12 rebounds but I don't think any Gonzaga cared about Elias ruining his last chance to beat Gonzaga in Moraga.
These two stars did not act alone for their teams. Matt Bouldin and Steven Gray both gave excellent efforts for the Zags tonight. Bouldin's 22 points and five assists were huge and he always seemed to step up at big times for Gonzaga. I personally believe that tonight was one of Steven Gray's best nights as a Gonzaga Bulldog. Gray showed remarkable tenacity and a will to win all night as he scored 14 points, pulled down 13 boards, and delivered four assists. His forced shots were rare and he made some huge plays for this team and stayed on the attack.
For Saint Mary's, they had also touted a ridiculous freshman coming into this game and he lived up to the hype. Matt Dellavedova is a kid I had heard a lot about but never really focused on and he was sensational. The newest Austrailian member of Saint Mary's kept the Gaels in the game in the first half when Samhan was struggling and showed great maturity in his own right. He finished the evening with 23 points and never missed from deep (4-4). What's even more astonishing is that he never subbed out of the game.
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Even though Gonzaga walked away with a huge win tonight, there are always some negatives. I'm sure everyone knows by this time that the Zags are just not a good free-throw shooting team. Every starter missed some free throws included two misses for Goodson, Sacre, and Harris and three misses for Bouldin. Matt's misses came at a very significant time in the game as did Sacre's. These guys are two of the leaders of this team and missing at this kind of rate is inexcusable if they are going to reach their potential. All in all, it was a 12-22 night from the charity stripe for the Bulldogs and it felt like they shot 2-60.
I was also pretty underwhelmed by two of Gonzaga's starters, Robert Sacre and Demetri Goodson. Starting with Meech, he really never got involved offensively and after that palming violation in the first half, things seemed to unravel. Overall, it was a pretty terrible game for Goodson. He committed some silly fouls and it was pretty obvious that the best lineup did not involve him. Games like this will happen and I expect some backlash regarding his play but ups and downs are going to be part of his game. His defense on Mickey McConnell early in the game was stellar but tonight, his negatives outweighed his positives. Sacre, on the other hand, was just inconsistent all night long. He showed some outstanding glimpses of being a solid low post threat at times. He hit a couple of nice sweeping hook shots and some turnarounds but he was no answer for Omar Samhan all night, especially in the second half. He flopped about three times only to have Omar staring at him from above after a dunk. I wouldn't say he had a terrible night but after Rob's hard foul on Omar he really became a deer in the headlights.
The bench didn't see much time in general aside from Bol Kong. Kong was out there for 26 minutes and he did some nice things on the boards, coming down with four but only took one shot attempt and airballed it. He made a few nice hustle plays but, other than that, was a nonfactor. I was happy with the minutes that Will Foster and Kelly Olynyk gave the Zags. Foster connected on a nice post move and poked the ball away from a Gaels offensive player to lead to a steal. Olynyk was 2-2 in very limited time and really looked good. I was surprised not to see him out there more. The final member of the Gonzaga rotation was Mangisto Arop and he looked like a freshman. He hit two shots, including a smooth jumper from the corner but looked a little rushed out there on the offensive side. As usual, he hit the boards hard and came down with three on the evening.
The team stats that will jump out are obviously Gonzaga shooting nearly 60% from the floor and outrebounding the Gaels 45-25. It's tough for a team to win when they shoot about 50% from the free throw line but the two previous stats obviously make up for it.
What it really came down to, however, was the two teams' supporting casts. It was pretty obvious that both Samhan and Harris had the "I will not let my team lose" attitude but, fortunately for Gonzaga, Elias just had better players around him. With the win, Mark Few's team moves to 13-3 and will finish this treacherous road stretch on Saturday in San Diego to take on Bill Grier and the Toreros.
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Goodson
Demetri Goodson is the worst GU player that I have witnessed in my four years at Gonzaga. His offensive game is non-existent. In fact, it is crippling to the rest of the team. Zach, I know that you continue to defend him, but his play has been indefensible. His turnovers really screw up the rhythm out of this team. Tonight we saw perfect examples of it. His palming violation and his five second call both show us that he lacks the necessary basketball skill to be a successful player. He is an incredible athlete. His quickness and agility are undeniable. But his free-throw shooting, high turnover rate, and non-existent three point shooting make him a huge liability on the court. He should receive far less playing time. I am glad to see him not receive any minutes in crunch time. Kong and Arop both are smarter players than Goodson. Goodson needs to fix his game by sitting on the bench and watching how a well executed offense is supposed to look.
Meech sucked...
but Sacre did fine. Meech is terrible. He always runs down the baseline, jumps in the air and hangs himself out to dry. He just does profoundly stupid things too much, and you can tell the guys don’t like it when he’s out there on the offensive end. He needs to be a defensive specialist until he becomes a competent shooter.
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I agree about Sacre
I thought he played alright.
There is no way Demetri Goodson should play any meaningful minutes right now.
If you payed attention the times when they made there runs were IMMEDIATELY once he got put back in the game. I know lots of people around here praise his D, but I’m sick of hearing that because I’m watching every minute and I can’t remember the last time I thought, “Meech is playing good D right now.” He lets guys blow by him almost every play and then rides him with his hip (which should be a foul every time and is called half the time).
Additionally he’s an offensive black hole. He can’t shoot at all. He can’t play in the half-court offense with or without the ball. Basically his only, and I mean only, positive right now is that he’s Jeremy Pargo light when he can quickly penetrate on pseudo-fast breaks. That’s it.
He literally is the 10th or 11th best player on the team right now depending on if you think GJ should play more than him. Grant has a whopping 2 minutes over the past 4 games and he’s still far better than Meech. For goodness sake, (I’m shocked that it’s come to this but) Will is clearly better than him right now.
Teams that want to break into the Top 10 and want to make a deep run in March do not play their 10th best player heavy minutes, if at all.
Meech's Defense
I agree, it seems that for some reason on this blog people keep raving about his defense. For instance I saw somewhere somebody quoted Mickey McConnel’s stat line and said that Meech did a good job, but there is one problem with that…. Meech only played 17 minutes vs. McConnel’s 37 minutes. If I did my math correctly that means that there was a full 20 minutes that Meech could not possibly have guarded him, yet somehow McConnel’s bad game is contributed entirely to Meech’s defense. I personally think we need to see what Vilarino has. I haven’t really seen the kid play and quite frankly I don’t think Meech will be the long term solution at the starting point guard spot. Thinking of next year, without Matt we will need a true point guard to handle the ball and set up the offense and I don’t believe that is Meech at all, so lets see who else we got.
A few non-Meech related thoughts...
1. Sacre’s hard foul on Man Boobs was my favorite play of the season so far. I was livid that it was originally called flagrant. That’s a good old-fashioned hard foul. So awesome.
2. For the 10,000th time in the past 4 years the Pargo play was ran before half despite working only twice ever. EVER. (And yes, I’ve watched every game over that time and kept track.) It’s the worst thing about Mark Few’s coaching.
3. Speaking of coaching here’s a big positive in my book from tonight (shocking I know), we ran the Heytvelt alley-oop in-bounds play! Some of you may recall we ran this play multiple times 3 seasons ago and it was always devastating (especially considering most of GU’s in-bounds plays are crappy crappy crap crap). Elias rode his guy like a pony on that play. WOOOOOOOT!!!
4. Give it up for Will Foster! He played great tonight. Actually, I have no clue why we didn’t use him in the second half to D up Man Boobs. Sacre’s D on him was bad and Will was giving him fits in the first half.
5. The no-call when Bouldin got hacked-and-a-half with a few minutes left was the first time a foul was so much of a mindboggling no-call that the announcer called it a foul and then was speechless “uhhhh” as play continued. “Bouldin drives to the whole and get fouled…uhhhhh…apparently they didn’t call it.”
6. When I looked at Gray’s line after the game it was one of those double take box score moments because you don’t recall the player getting anywhere near what he got. Wait…he scored 14 and had 13 assists? WHEN?!? I love it when that’s the case.
7. I know I’m gonna break some news here…but Elias is pretty athletic. I like him.
Do you mean “The Pargo play,” as you call it, just before halftime where Bouldin actually had a layup but he didn’t realize the shot clock was going to run out before the game clock? The worst thing about Few’s coaching huh? Execution not coaching….Bouldin had a layup, just overlooked 2 second difference between shotclock and game clock.
by GonzagasaurusFlex on Jan 15, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
Thankful for buzzer beater to get us to sweet sixteen
clearly though Mr. Goodsen needs to come off the bench, at least until his offensive game becomes a coordinated one. I do think he needs to regain his confidence along with increasing his skills as a point guard.
Coach Few is constantly pushing his hands to the floor informing Meech to settle down & play under control. The players will not berate him and will continue to support him, however they do play with a better flow offensively when he is on the bench.
FYI, Mr. Bouldin needs to stop making those two foot passes under the basket which lead to turnovers, granted they are not always completely his fault; he needs to remember he is playing with all new teammates, Mr. Gray being the only experienced other Zag on the floor. Shoot it you make it, or get foulled 80% of the time and you are the only one who is shooting 80% from the line.
To me a major reason why (as was the case with Mr. Pargo) Meech should come off the bench, the Bulldogs cannot have their starting PG shooting only 50-60% from the line. No opponents will respect his shots even inside the paint. They collapse on him only when he comes inside meanwhile we are playing 4 against five.
Meech has the athletic ability and heart to be great, he needs the mental discipline to coordinate his game.
Mr. Foster is proving he deserves more playing time, as a senior Few should consider starting him, Mr. Olynyk could relieve either and then bring in Meech or Mr. Kong when we need more quickness and/or outside shooting. Twin Towers have been erected in Spokane, Wa. Move Mr. Harris, a freshman all-american to the small forward position, where he would dominate those small forwards.
Matt & Gray could control the ball (when they are not dribbling it off their foot or knee…lol, after all they are still college players… NBA or other side of the Atlantic just around the semester), if teams start a full court press then bring in Meech to get the ball across midcourt.
On Harris one thing I have noticed or rather not noticed is that he has not shuffled his feet like he used to (from his Euro playing days); he is attacking the basket as soon as he gets the ball. Sacre has been quiet lately, being a team player boxing out allowing others to get the boards. He is a scrapper, w/ Harris, Bouldin, & Gray all scoring he doesn’t need to get 20 pts a game. Mr. Kong seems willing to do more than just shoot the 3, played good D at times.
My favorite play/move is the underneath move that Mr. Harris & Mr. Olynyk seem to show once or twice a game, excellent footwork and pivot control; these are our freshman!
Study (for your classes), practice those fundamentals, and study some more as it appears Few going with the fundamentals is paying off diviidends.
only concern with this...
is it drastically slows down our offense. would have to result in a wash on reduced transition offense/defense and improved half-court offense/defense… i’m not sure that it would.
either way, i agree with you that foster has played well this season and should get more minutes during WCC time.
by GU.AmericasTeam on Jan 15, 2010 8:36 AM PST up reply actions
What a game!
Here’s my $0.02:
Harris I didn’t think I could be more impressed with him, but last night really proved me wrong. He was amazing.
Gray Talk about being up for the challenge! I agree that this was one of his best games, if not his best. I just loved the way he looked and played all night.
Foster I didn’t have much of an opinion on Foster before this game other than, holy crap he’s tall! But after last night’s game, I was really impressed with how he did.
Goodson This is the first time where I thought that Goodson should not be the starting point guard. Last year (prior to the WKentucky game) I was excited at the thought of him as the point guard this year. Now, I think he’d be most effective coming off the bench.
Free Throws More than the TOs by this team, the free throw shooting is what really gets me. With the exception of last year, I can’t think of a Gonzaga team where I didn’t expect the FTs to be made.
Points of consideration
I’m not going to spend more time reiterating what’s already been said (Elias is the Übermensch, Gray had an awesome game, etc). I really took three things from this game.
Bol Kong is a very unselfish player mainly because he has difficulty making his own shot. Unless he has an open three or mid-range jumper, it’s not his first inclination to throw the ball up. I assumed, considering all the hype, that he’d try shooting in all sorts of coverage from anywhere on the floor and we’d have to do whatever we could to prevent him from shooting every time he gets a look. I think part of his tentativeness comes from his reluctance to drive and attack the rim. I hope few works with Bol a little, and conditions him to put the ball on the floor more and be a little selfish from time to time.
Manny Arop needs more playing time! I don’t know who that time will come at the expense of, but he is such a well-rounded player and threat that I strongly believe he should be starting in Meech’s place. His ball control, court vision, passing, rebounding, and shooting are all very strong. He’s a team player yet not afraid to take it to the rim, or launch a mid-range jumper. Arop is quick, but not out of control. He is big, but not prohibitively so for a point guard or ball handler. I know it’s a bit of a crazy notion, but I would really like Few to have him become a more integral part of the offense. He wouldn’t have to be a true point guard with Bouldin and Gray on the floor as well, but I think it should at least be looked into.
Few has done a number on KO. I find it hilarious that whenever he is defending anyone, he is TERRIFIED to get a touch foul. Also, KO has really adapted the sort of shots he takes, and recently his shooting percentage has gone through the roof. Sure, he’s not scoring as much, but he’s rebounding solidly and not fouling out early. I give full credit to Few for KO’s continued development.
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Bol and Manny
I’ve seen flashes of Bol’s ability to get to the hoop. I agree he’s still hesitant, but that kid can score in a number of ways. I am really looking forward to him maturing his game, I really think he’s going to be redonkulous.
Completely agree with Manny. HIs defense has impressed me too, and he’s not at all hesitant to fight for loose balls. Agree, he doesn’t need to be a true PG with Matt and Steven in.
Hoping to see more development of both these guys as we move into the weaker part of the conference schedule.
Manny is going to be very, very good
I think last night the game might have gotten too quick for him but I loved when he missed a three-pointer badly and ran right over Kelly Olynyk trying to get his own board. He really works hard but his youth shows sometimes which is just fine.
Olynyk looked very confident last night and he should be after his effort against Portland. His upside is really becoming apparent to me and it obviously impressed the announcers.
Kong stayed on the court without scoring which is a great thing. He was getting rebounds, playing decent defense, and hustling around the court. Loving our Canadian presence.
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Bol Kong and Meech
I think Bol can certainly create his shot. We’ve already seen it. However, he’s been tasked with playing more fundamental defense and work through the offensive sets. I think he’s doing this quite well, but he’s thinking opposed to reacting which has taken away from his offense. Plus I’d bet my paycheck that Few told Bol to defer his shot to Bouldin and especially Harris.
I’ve been a huge Meech supporter, but last night there was no way to defend him. Just a lot of bone head plays. I’d bring him off the bench next game, similar to what Coach Izzo did with Kalin Lucas early in the season; a motivation tactic if you will.
Great game, win. Go Zags!!!
Go Zags!!
My thoughts...
Foster impressed me. When Foster made that pivot and up-and-under move to the basket, although the shot bounced out, I told my wife that I wish he had played like that last year. She added, “or three years ago”.
You’ve got o admit, even though it stings, Samhan is a great center. He has a very lithe and gentle fade-away jumper that showed me how greaceful he really is, for a heavy guy. He scored a TON of points in the second half. Few remarked that we didn’t guard him very good. Well, everyone he faces has that problem.
Sacre’s hammer foul that made the highlite replays wasn’t all that hard. Samhan acted out the part pretty good. And speaking of Sacre, what little offense he did have was brilliant. It left me aching for more.
Dellavadova vs. Grey. The story next year.
I was pleased with the TEAM. Last night was one of the best efforts this year. They LOOKED like a top 25 team, feeding each other, setting picks, their half court offense was at a higher level. I seriously thought that we would play catch-up all night and maybe send it into overtime at the end, similar to the Cincy game, but it wasn’t like that. It was like watching an NBA team, confident and skilled. If they haven’t peaked yet, then they can get scary good – this year!
Tom117
Just one more thing...
Elias Harris’ performance was jaw-dropping. If he gets any better, then he’ll be leaping out of the gym. He went up and over all of SMU’s bigs with those in-your-face cram down slam dunks. He showed some game rarely seen in the WCC. I once said that he wasn’t quite big enough to play the 4 in the NBA. Check that. Yes, he is.
Tom117
We really need the students too...
start the chant.
ONE MORE YEAR, ONE MORE YEAR
Couple comments on Demetri's minutes
First of all, did not expect to hop on the site this morning to see Elias Harris’ career-high night overshadowed by Demetri Goodson played 13 minutes of bad basketball. I say 13 because his stretch before the first TV timeout was outstanding. He hit two shots, hounded McConnell all over the court and even blocked one of Mickey’s shots. If you can’t recognize the attitude Meech begins the game with on defense than we must be watching different teams. Like I said in the post, the rest of his night was pretty bad. I covered that earlier. He missed a shot, turned the ball over, and had some bad fouls. But guess what? We’ve got a coach for a reason, and he’s pretty good. He recognized Meech’s struggles and pulled him. The result was our 13th victory.
In regards to benching Meech for Grant and G.J. First off, it won’t happen. Second of all, it shouldn’t happen. I think his overall value to this team intensity-wise and just being a ball hawk is very valuable. He can come out, set a tone on defense, get in the face of the opposing point guard, and judging by how he does on offense he can either stay in the game or get out. If he’s playing terrible, he can be subbed out at the 16 minute mark. Last night, he was forcing things and was pulled. Cheers, Mark Few.
To be honest, if I had seen anything from Grant and G.J. to make me pine for more minutes from them, I would make the argument. I wish we had a stud sitting on the bench but we just don’t at this point. By the way, Grant was battling illness last night which is why he didn’t see time. Anyways, Grant’s only played one game that really stood out to me and that was WSU. He works hard and does some nice things as far as hustle plays but if you want good free throw shooting, don’t count on Gibbs (3-10). If you want someone that can spread the defense out…nope (9-21 from the floor). As for G.J., he obviously has the same attack-first mentality so I’m not sure why we would want more of that.
You can bet that Mark Few would love to see someone step up either in practice or get some time and prove they belong but I haven’t seen that really at all. Therefore, I can see why he sticks with Meech at least for the start of the game. Last night, the lineup that worked was Matt, Gray, Kong, Harris, and Robert/Will. That won’t be the case every night and GASP sometimes it might involve Meech.
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by Zach Bell on Jan 15, 2010 9:34 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Gonzaga played a great game last night. The team has 100x more intensity than last years squad. It’s great to see all of the young players play their hardest every night.
Goodson is a very athletic guy with a high ceiling. However, his floor is very low. I think that his confidence is really shot right now. Few is wise to keep him out of the game during important stretches. I recognize the great attitude that Goodson brings and really like that about him. But his attitude is good enough to hide his large amount of shortcomings (for example his .90 assist to turnover ratio, 57% FT shooting, poor 3-pt shooting). I am starting to worry about his role next year. He needs to make serious strides on the offensive side of the ball to be a good starter next year. He has not improved at all from last year.
As for Gibbs, I think you are judging him based off of a small sample size. I’m sure Few has good reasons for not using Gibbs, such as the illness you noted. But to judge his free throw shooting off of limited minutes would be a mistake. I saw flashes of great court vision and even some surprising athleticism from Gibbs earlier this year. Kong and Arop are both improving quickly as well, but I felt I should address the Gibbs issue specifically. We shouldn’t judge him yet.
Change of tune?
You used to be all for Arop versus Meech…what happened? To me, it seems like once you realized coach wouldn’t change the lineup, your tune changed as well.
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Arop versus Meech? I don’t know what this means. I’ve never suggested that Demetri should compete with Mangisto in any context. Manny is a wing, Meech is a point.
I’ve suggested Manny getting more minutes for Gray when he devolves into inconsistent play but never Meech. I don’t believe EDZ has either.
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Foster is a Monster!
For the few minutes Foster played, he absolutely ruled Omar! I wish he’d played more in the game.
by banditoshagster on Jan 15, 2010 10:36 AM PST reply actions
typical fans!
I know this is a “fan driven site”, some of you write with no common sense. The changing of rosters every time someone has a bad game is getting old! After Thursdays game everybody bashed Gray and said he should be coming off the bench? All Gray did was respond with a 14 point 14 rebound and 6 assist game! Meech will respond! He’s tough, talented, and athletic. He’s just struggling with his identity on this team. He brings a lot of intangibles that may not show up in the stat sheet! He’s the best on ball defender we’ve had in quite some time! “News Flash” Few is a great coach, I feel he has been picking and choosing his spots with Demetri well. Remember we need to develop players for March, and if we are going to go deep in the tourney we are going to need Meech to be a huge part of it!
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by montanazag on Jan 15, 2010 10:42 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
I agree with all of this
For some reason we all need a whipping boy and I’ve been guilty of this at times. I just re-watched the game and I actually thought Meech’s first half was really, really good.
He pressed in the second half and got pulled for a better lineup to fit the game.
I do also agree that Meech will be important when Gonzaga plays teams like Memphis and heading into March. I have no confidence in Matt or Steven playing point against teams that really play pressure defense. The WCC is all about gaining confidence for Demetri. He’s got to play a big role late in the year.
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Meech did good.
He is still making a few mental errors on offense, but so did Bouldin a couple of times. I have also said that Meech should not be playing as many minutes as he gets, but after reviewing the last three games I’ve decided that Meech’s defense is good – if he can learn to stay out of the middle.
He created his own mismatch nexus twice in the St. Mary’s game guarding Samhan at 5’11. He got in the way of Harris’ defense once, but I think Coach Few sees these things and will work with him. When Meech is out at the top of the key on the point, the offense runs very well and he can move his feet laterally with the best defenders out there.
Tom117
You sight "intangibles" but I'm wondering if you have any insight into specific ones?
Is he great in the locker room? Does he see things on the court and point them out to other players? Or are you just saying “intangibles” as many people often do to justify playing time a guy who shouldn’t be playing? I’m curious.
by SethGrandpa on Jan 15, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
intangibles
Here’s a few: Ball deflections, taking a defender out of the teams offensive game plan and/or rythm, intimidation, speed, strength, toughness. He brings a scrappiness that doesn’t hit the box scores; He’s been doing it all year, and did it again last night. However, that said, I believe he had his worst game of the season with several bone head turnovers, all unforced.
The most important thing about this team...
is that Mark Few is coaching his butt off this year. I have always disliked the way Few handled in-game coaching, I have not agreed with his rotations, I have not agreed with his play calling and I have especially disagreed with his clock management.
Few is proving me wrong every game this year, when his starting point guard, usually a position that is untouchable for him, is struggling he subs him out, when he has a stud on the floor(Elias) he runs iso plays for him. Although we have never had a stud Freshmen like Elias, Few has always stuck with the upperclassmen, good or bad. This impresses me beyond belief. Few is calling great plays out of timeouts and he is really managing end-of-game situations incredibly.
The progression of these Freshmen has been incredible. At the beginning of the year, I was a little uncomfortable with Kelly on the floor, but he has turned into a huge asset off the bench, and he really can turn into a GREAT player with a little more bulk, kind of a Pendo with size and more talent. Manny and Bol are really coming along as good players and Elias, well, he already is a great player.
Few has done an incredible job with this team and I am so happy to be wrong about him. If he is not in discussions for National Coach of the Year, I will be very disappointed (A sentence I thought I never would have uttered).
by GoZags09 on Jan 15, 2010 10:48 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Few has been excellent this year.
He gets his players ready. I have had my doubts but they are quickly getting erased. The man simply won’t let Gonzaga ever become an average team. He is outstanding.
by cubesonice on Jan 15, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Also,
Will Foster played his best game as a Zag. He played incredible defense against Samhan. He also did a great job on Pick and Roll defense. He was a key in this game. In the 2nd half I turned to my friends and actually said, “Why is Will not in the game right now?” That was something I never thought I would have said. I didn’t like the way Rob was “playing defense”. I put that in quotes because Samhan got what he wanted, I feel like Rob did not body Samhan enough and really gave him great position. Will did a great job, and was not as big of a liability on the offensive end as he has been in the past.
Lighten up Folks
How many points did we score in this game?
Uhhh 89.
I think this is an acceptable performance for any college team. Remember, it IS a Team Sport. Few’s offense takes what the Defense gives it. Those that know me know I am not a great Meech fan but . . .Meech didn’t have a great game because . . . well it looked to me like they were packing the middle most of the night. Meech is not a great outside shooter and he let better shooters take the outside shots. That’s not a bad night for Meech it’s a smart night on the offensive end. If you want to pick on Meech you might want to ask how St. Mary’s got those 82 points? Did anyone see Meech getting embarrassed on D or being scored on regularly?
I didn’t think so. Solid game for Meech.
Sacre: Might have had his best game of the year so far. We saw him play with a little fire for a change. He’s a work in progress. Personally I don’t think his defense was all that bad — not great but not bad.
Foster looked pretty good too.
IMO
Great game played by two great teams — both playing at a high level. This is the kind of basketball I live for. Hats off to all the players and coaches involved in the game. The fact that GU won just makes it sweeter.
mjc
I'll have to watch Sacre a bit more closely
I get a bit bothered when I see someone of his size flop against a smaller player like Samhan. There’s no doubt that Omar is the more polished offensive threat but there is no one in this conference that can match Rob’s physique. Dior Lowhorn is also a monster but he’s a big undersized. He did have some nice offensive looks that reminded me of Michigan State.
Like you, I was always impressed with his attitude. He and Steven showed some wonderful leadership.
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Just a question, so don’t get all hot and bothered by this. I am a huge GU fan/alum and have been since 2000. Clarification: Fan, not basketball guy.
So here is my observation. Elias shooting motion seems long and a bit unorthodox to me.
When others (Bouldin, Gray) pop a jumper, I have a reasonable level of confidence that it’s going to go in or at least be close. I don’t have that with Elias and find myself watching his shooting form.
Any basketball people out there have thoughts on this?
by GU.AmericasTeam on Jan 15, 2010 11:08 AM PST reply actions
To each player his own shot…. Just because it doesn’t look orthodox (or pretty) doesn’t mean its not a good shot. I have incredible faith that all Elias’s shots are going in, (and actually I’m suprised when they don’t.
Steven Gray looks silky smooth when he shoots the ball, but he is very streaky.
by Ekrub on Jan 15, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I have far more confidence in Elias's jumper right now than Gray's.
He may not have the prototypical shot, but it’s not an ugly shot (like a Shawn Marion or something).
by SethGrandpa on Jan 15, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
true
and i suppose Elias will never be a pick-n-pop kind of player. seems he is bred to be an attacker with adequate outside game.
by GU.AmericasTeam on Jan 15, 2010 11:23 AM PST reply actions
Meech
Demetri Goodson is who he is. He isn’t a Kalin Lucas, Sheron Collins, Kemba Walker, Scottie Reynolds, John Wall etc. We have to accept Meech for what he is and he needs to accept himself and the role that he needs to play on this team. The thing that scares me the most is that I haven’t seen any improvement. We are now into conference play and he is still making the same mistakes he was making 2 months ago. Everyone knows he struggles shooting the ball so what he needs to be able to do is turn into more of a playmaker rather than a scorer. He is the best defender on this team along with Steven and will be a critical part of this team come tourney time. His defense will be a major factor in how much of a run this team can make. Who else on this team can guard the elite PG’s in the country? Meech is a vital part of this team whether you like it or not. What happens if we are matched up against Kentucky in the Sweet 16? I know of one person on this team who would be able to guard John Wall and that guy is Demetri Goodson. Everyone needs to calm down and look at the big picture here. This Gonzaga team is now 13-3 and is an Elias Harris ejection and a classic inexperienced meltdown away from 15-1!!! How can you complain about that? Just keep adding to the Win column and win the way we should win. No playing down to the competition this year. I would like to see some improvement though, just a little something that let’s me know we’re continuing to get better and heading in the right direction.
by coltinjespersen on Jan 15, 2010 12:56 PM PST reply actions
What a game!!
Good comments! My first post to this site. 3 thoughts.
1. While Will Foster was in the game, GU was +10 points. Nice to see there was no drop off with the back up center in the game against good competition.
2. I switched to the Pepperdine game on ESPNU a couple of times. It looked like 2 high school teams in slow motion compared to GU/SMC!!
3. How about the GU women???! They are awesome! Go watch them play if you haven’t yet!
Excuse me about this debate on Meech but!
The only discussion on Meech that is relevant is when to play him, that is a Coaching issue for both blame or praise. He’s on the team, period! I don’t see the reason for brow beating him, he’s just not that good. IMO he shouldn’t start but he should play. Oh yes, can anyone here point out ANY guard, not just point guard but any guard in the WCC with worse stat’s than Meech, playing the same minutes? As I said, the debate here should only be how many minutes, when or if you play him in a game. Starting is a whole different debate.
Some might want to revisit Seth Grandpa’s remarks on Meech on this current post. Might be a little bit emotional but fairly accurate.
What I see...
…for what it’s worth. As mentioned in earlier posts, Meech is the quickest Zag defender and his good defense definitely adds stock to the entire team. Just having his presence as a defender creates turnovers, hurried shots, etc. He may never reach the level of the leagues best shooting guards, since he’s never quite displayed the ability to drive and dish, or drive to the hole against good defense. But, he will be a great spark on defense and move the ball on the break and play hard-nosed ball in critical situations. I was at the St Mary’s game and my thoughts are you’d be hard-pressed to find a guard that could keep in front of either of the Gaels guards when they drive. So, I guess it’s just a pity that Meech happens to lack the incredible talent of many of the talent-laden Zags. Few realizes that, and is beginning to use the bench very effectively, and sit Meech when he realizes that a change is needed. Effective bench play = NCAA tournament dominance.
Great game on Thurs, and the Gaels fans were really great even to the few of us in the crowd sporting Zags shirts/jerseys. This venue is a must-see if you ever get the chance.

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