SB Nation turns up the college basketball coverage
If you haven't noticed, (hint: look in the top left corner) The Slipper Still Fits is part of the SBNation network of blogs. Recently they have been expanding at a pretty rapid pace to become a more opinionated and fanbased (not a word, I know) version of ESPN or CBS Sports. They do a great job with breaking news and, since they have some of the best team-specific bloggers on their network, are able to rapidly get opinions on news right away. With college basketball season hitting its stride, SBNation has really turned up the heat on college basketball coverage and today a few examples of that were published.
First of all, SB Nation has begun a series entitled "Decade of Change" in which writers for the hub site take on the modest task of laying out changes they would like to see in their favorite sport. For college basketball, SB Nation has tabbed the great Chris Dobbertean of Blogging the Bracket, to help change the college basketball landscape. Obviously there are plenty of things college basketball fans would like to see changed. For example things like the NBA Draft age limit, the number of teams in the tournament, and the importance of nonconference scheduling. Chris does a great job covering all those things and he also shares some thoughts on something that most Gonzaga fans will have a vested interest in. The debate over Seattle University and their bid to be in the West Coast Conference has been a hot button issue and it is pretty clear where Chris stands:
Get Seattle back into the West Coast Conference.
The Redhawks, then known as the Chieftains, were members of the WCC in the 1970s, before they dropped down to the NAIA. As part of their process to return to Division I, they naturally applied for readmission to their old league, an application that was rejected in 2007. That means school that produced Elgin Baylor and lost the 1958 National Championship game to Kentucky is without a conference for the moment.
The Redhawks are currently 7-11 in their first year playing a Division I schedule. They've grabbed home wins against Fresno State and Weber State and victories at Utah and Oregon State. If first-year head coach Cameron Dollar continues to develop the program, they should be an immediate contender when they finally become tournament-eligible for the 2012-13 campaign. Yet they won't go anywhere if they don't have a conference to play in, and, no, the Great West doesn't count.
I've shied away from the Seattle conversation a bit because I think, like some of our freshman's minutes, the jury is still out on how good they will be. Charles Garcia's arrival at Seattle is a total anomaly. He fell in their lap on accident but the good news for them is they have Cameron Dollar who is an outstanding recruiter. It also helps that they are located right in the middle of a great basketball city. Dollar has had great success recruiting the area in the past but selling Seattle will be hard unless they get into a conference like the WCC. I do think that it is possible for the West Coast Conference to allow Seattle in at some point but the last thing we need is for the WCC to be further watered down. I imagine our conference will have a close eye on Seattle and other potential members, possibly Pacific. Or, you know, we could join the Mountain West and Seattle can take our spot. I'd love to turn the Mountain West into a Big East type conference where we are just a basketball member. Just a thought.
After the jump, check out SB Nation's "Power 16", which will be a weekly power rankings done by the various college basketball bloggers on the network.
Last week, SB Nation debuted their version of college basketball power rankings. Just this morning, our hub site published their second version of the rankings and, not surprisingly, Gonzaga was not ranked as one of the top 16 teams.
Being the Gonzaga homer that I am, you should know that I did rank the Zags last week and this week. If my memory serves me correct, I put them at 16 last week and 14 this week. My justification for this was pretty simple: they have got a great list of wins and some pretty good explanations for their losses. Michigan State was obviously as close to a moral victory as you can get, Wake Forest was a close loss without our second best player for most of the game, and Duke...well there is no real explanation for that. Throw in a Maui title over a pretty good Colorado team, a very good Wisconsin team, and a solid Cincinnati team and that's a nice resume already. Throw in back-to-back-to-back wins over Oklahoma, Illinois, and Portland and I feel like this is a top 16 team.
I think you'll find that some of these rankings are flawed. Purdue is too high, Villanova is too low, and North Carolina shouldn't be sniffing the rankings. They are flawed because our ballot was due on Tuesday evening and today is Thursday. Obviously some lag there but that will happen.
Even if Gonzaga wins tonight, I don't expect there to be much change in these power rankings unless we win out in the conference and beat Memphis. We all know that this is our toughest conference game of the year but there are two major factors working against us. First, the majority of America forgot about Saint Mary's when Patty Mills left. I mean no offense by that as we all know how good they are but I can bet only 5% of the people East of the rockies can name a player on the Gaels. That's not too bad as a I bet only 15-20% of people can name a player on Gonzaga not named Bouldin. Secondly, the game tips off at 8 PM pacific, 11 PM east. Most of our college basketball bloggers, and the general populous of the nation probably won't see the entire game, if any.
So the point of my little speech here is that this is a big game. Not only for fun little things like our SB Nation power rankings but for national respect. But...you probably already knew that.
Go Zags.
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ESPN's Pick Center has St. Mary's over Zags
ESPN’s simulation site powered by Accuscore has the winning probability as:
St. Mary’s – 67%
Gonzaga – 33%
They predict St. Mary’s to win by about 6.
St. Mary’s – 79.2
Gonzaga – 73.5
I’m not buying it. I predict that the Zags win in OT, by 5 or less.
Tom117
Home court + their record
is very appealing to computers. The betting line has also increased to St. Mary’s – 4.5 per USA Today.
I just put together the game thread with the rosters and what not and I just can’t see their starting lineup beating us. Can’t let someone like Mickey fricking McConnell have a big game.
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2 things
1. Stay out of foul trouble!
2. Defend the 3 point line! Don’t let McConnell and the Aussie’s go off from 24 feet out! (We did a respectable job of this against Portland).
If this happens our talent will propel us to an 8 point victory!
glen mccloud
Accuscore?
Knock it off with the predictions those are so irrelevant. However, I’m watching the ‘08 game on ESPN Classic and I would have to say the referees from this game couldn’t have been more obvious in trying to hand the game to St Marys. The game was a cheat. I hope it doesn’t happen again this year, because St. Marys hasn’t had a team better than us, and they don’t this year either.
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about accuscore. I just realized that sounded way worse than I thought. Sorry.
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Seattle U should be allowed in the WCC
I say this grudgingly. Letting Seattle U back in the WCC is NOT in Gonzaga’s interests. But it might be in the WCC’s interests.
It’s like Turiaf said, all you need is 10 guys, a ball and some uni’s. How hard is that? Given a moderate commitment to their basketball program, Seattle U could be competitive fairly quickly — perhaps more quickly than Pepperdine. Having them on the schedule would also balance out that weekend where we only have the Portland game. With Seattle U in the mix we would have a pair of games on those weekends.
But . . . It is a game in Seattle (which U-Dub ain’t going to give us) and Seattle U fits the profile for teams in this league.
Plus they might provide better competition than U-Dub. Romar’s boys are just pathetic so far this year.
mjc
Seattle U
Not looking great now, but how are fans supposed to get excited about an independent? They have the arena and a bored, frustrated, passionate Seattle basketball fanbase. UW sucks so bad, they have plenty of fans ready to jump on the Seattle U bandwagon if they had a possibility of a postseason. At least there’s a team in Seattle that CAN win a Pac 10 road game, HAHAHA! I think that could be a sleeping giant and a huge steal for the WCC, especially given that Seattle has proved to be a premier city when it comes to HS basketball talent. What a rivalry this could be…
Let’s go get em!
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Don't let them in
I am a SU Grad student right now I will be frank about this. . . .
1) The SU Facilities Stink
2) There is little to no support for the basketball team on campus
3) Like Zach wrote in the post Charles Garcia is an anomaly here, the talent level won’t last
4) I don’t see any reason why Cameron Dollar would stay here any longer than he has to . . . as soon as another Pac 10 job opens up I am willing to bet he is out of here.
All of this success is a flash in the pan for this program. Coach Dollar is probably a heck of a coach but I don’t see any reason why the Redhawks would stay great for long after his departure. GU already has a rival on the west side, UW and as soon as Romar grows a pair or gets fired for continually underachieving we can start the series up again and continue to dominate them. Until that point I think the Battle in Seattle is as good a presence as GU needs over here.
thats true
I am willing to bet there would be more Zags fans there than SU fans (unless UW fans come dressed as SU fans because they want to see what a quality team looks like)
Especially since...
the SU men play all of their home games there anyway.
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jan 14, 2010 6:16 PM PST up reply actions
Seattle U is just a bad idea in the conference. It robs GU of the opportunity to play another national game like the Memphis matchup – a midweek jaunt to Memphis right before a double-header in league over 3 days? Not sure that’s a great idea – hurts the overall conference RPI and really doesn’t do anything for the other WCC schools. What’s the benefit to them? They get another middling to poor team to compete with? Unless SU shows it can hang around at least the level of USD recently (compete, if not always win vs good BCS teams) then no thanks.
Also, how is it good for Seattle U? Seattle U should want to win it’s conference and get to the NCAA tourney. How can they expect to get to the NCAAs in the WCC? No way will it be through beating GU to win the conference for the foreseeable future. Why not join the Big Sky or WAC or somewhere where they have a chance for that automatic berth?
Of course Seattle isn't good now
It’s their first year in D-1, and they don’t have a conference. I don’t take Dollar or Garcia into account at all when saying they’d be a good grab for us. They will kill the conference RPI for a year or two, but no more than Pepperdine or USF already does. We’re never going to be in a good conference unless the Pac-10 finds a way to take us in (ala Big East), so why not take a chance on Seattle U? They will eventually be no worse than a consistent #2 behind us, with potential to overtake us in the long run. Once again, this would look bad in the first 3 to 5 years, but Seattle having an established D-1 team in a non-BCS conference is kind of terrifying. Sure, we could give up the Memphis game, or we could schedule it at another time. Did you ever think that a league with an odd number of teams would result in idle dates for teams (two for each team during conference play, to be exact), to actually give us an extra opportunity to play a real team and break up the conference lull?
Does anyone remember that we are in the WCC? Quit this “they’re not good enough” garbage this conference is pathetic. Who do we think we are? People are saying it wouldn’t help our RPI, does playing IPFW and Eastern help? No team that could help our RPI immediately would be caught dead in this conference.
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What's the point of expanding then?
The WCC’s bread and butter is Men’s Basketball, they shouldn’t expand for the sake of expansion. We would do SU a favor by admitting them at the expense of not only GU, but every other member of the conference. By diluting the conference we hurt the RPI and the WCC’s best product. If we are going to expand go for a school with a proven track record (Pacific) rather than a school that is just getting their head above water.
Instead of hurting the conference, we should wait to see if SU can maintain any sort of success to see if they can earn their way in.
it's just not going to get any better until they get in a conference
i think it’d be a reciprocal benefit for the WCC and SU.
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