#14? Someone Needs to Talk to Jeff Goodman
I have a daily routine for checking out and keeping updated on the latest college basketball news across the country. This routine includes checking out articles by Jeff Goodman (foxsports), Andy Katz (ESPN), and Gary Parrish (CBS), multiple times per day. While I respect the opinions and thoughts of each, I came away truly baffled by an article that Zach B posted a link to today. In his ranking of the top 20 backcourts in the country, Jeff Goodman had the Gonzaga backcourt ranked #14 in the country. Originally, I figured that is not a horrible ranking, even though I believe that the Zags have a loaded backcourt. However, after looking over the list and the numerous backcourt combinations that Goodman had ranked ahead of Gonzaga, I could hardly contain my shock and frustration. Before I continue on this rant, here is what Goodman had to say about the Gonzaga backcourt.
My first gasp came when I saw the Kentucky Wildcats coming in ranked at #4.14. Gonzaga
Backcourt: Matt Bouldin, Steven Gray, Demetri Goodson
Analysis: Bouldin is one of the most underrated guards in the nation and will finally get his due this season. Gray is a big-time shooter, and Goodson gives the Zags a quick, tough point guard.
4. Kentucky
Backcourt: John Wall, Eric Bledsoe, Darnell Dodson, DeAndre Liggins
Analysis: Both Wall and Bledsoe are terrific athletes and are more than capable of running a team. Neither is regarded as a great shooter, but they may not need to make perimeter shots with their ability to get to the basket. Dodson is the guy who can really make shots from deep.
Look, I understand the great accomplishments and praise that Eric Beldsoe and John Wall have garnered at the high school level, but lets remember this all occurred at the high school level. Neither is a good shooter, and neither has played against elite competition and smart coaches on a game-by-game basis. So who else does Goodman include to justify this ranking for Kentucky? Should I be shaking because of the 4.2 points that DeAndre Liggins averaged last year (keep in mind that Meech averaged 3.8 points per game, and I don't think he ever took a shot from farther then two feet out)? Or is Darnell Dodson the one that makes this such an elite backcourt? This is the same Darnell Dodson that has been playing JC ball the past two years, and faces many of the same challenges that Bledsoe and Wall will face as they try and get accustomed to the DI pace and quality of play.
While I was certainly surprised and taken off guard by seeing Kentucky that high, my jaw dropped to the floor when I saw UCLA at #9.
9. UCLA
Backcourt: Malcolm Lee, Jerime Anderson, Michael Roll
Analysis: The Bruins' guard tandem of Lee and Anderson may be inexperienced, but they have more than enough talent. Add in the oft-injured Roll, who likes to shoot the ball from long distance, and it's a formidable backcourt.
I automatically assumed that any backcourt that includes Michael Roll as a member couldn't be in the top 10. If I'm not mistaken, this is the same Michael Roll who has never averaged seven points a game, and will be a senior this year. This is the same Michael Roll that has never been healthy and has continually showed a lack of toughness and production throughout his career. Once I moved on from that, I suddenly remembered that Jerime Anderson was the new starting point guard. Just so I could refresh my memory on how poor Jerime Anderson was last year, I chose to look at the stats from his freshman campaign. Last season, Anderson had 42 assists to go along with 36 turnovers (Meech- 54 assists; 34 turnovers). Yet somehow, Goodman assumes that Anderson is going to morph into a starting level PAC 10 point guard. Even with Malcolm Lee, there has been nowhere near the production to match the talent. Lee is a highly skilled guard, but can't shoot the ball at all. He is a nice slasher, but until he develops a consistent jumper, defenders will back off and take away his ability to slash to the hoop.
My final issue with Goodman came on his Gonzaga explanation. First off, if you're going to include all these freshman who have only excelled at the AAU level, how do you not include Mangisto Arop as part of the Gonzaga backcourt? Was his play at the FIBA tournaments against the best in the world not enough to get him some ink? Secondly, when are national writers going to stop labeling Steven Gray as a shooter? As anyone who watched Gonzaga play last year would know, Gray is at his best when he is slashing to the hoop. He has an incredible spring to his step when he is at the rim, and his ability to shoot the ball from deep is a great asset to his ability to get to the rim. If Steven can put it together this year, and I understand that is a BIG if, there aren't many guards in the country I would take over him.
With my venting done and over with, here is how I would rank the top 20 backcourts in the country using the list that Goodman had.
1) Kansas- Assuming they don't start beating each other up and stop getting in fights with the football team, this is the most loaded backcourt in the country.
2) Texas- This group has athleticism, shooting ability, and a great amount of toughness. There are so many different combinations that Rick Barnes can put on the court.
3) Michigan St.- Kalin Lucas is so quick with the ball, and Tom Izzo has great depth and stability to provide depth and talent around Lucas.
4) Ohio St.- Evan Turner is one of the most underrated players in the country, and can play every position in the backcourt at a high level for the Buckeyes.
5) Oklahoma- Willie Warren is arguably the top guard in the country, and his star should shine even brighter with Blake Griffin gone. Mason-Griffin has the luxury that he doesn't have to be "the man" from day one, like the guys at Kentucky do.
6) Connecticut- Everyone should be ready to watch the next great Big East point guard, as this will be Kemba Walker's team for the foreseeable future.
7) Cal- I feel I have continued to underrate the Cal backcourt by dropping them to #7 on this list. Christopher and Randle will be household names come March.
8) Villanova- Scotty Reynolds is about as tough as it gets (although I hate his shot selection), and he is surrounded by great shooters like Corey Fisher and Corey Stokes.
9) Gonzaga- Matt Bouldin has improved every single year he has been on campus at Gonzaga. Steven Gray has shown the potential to dominate at this level, and this year he will be afforded every opportunity to be star. Demetri Goodson just might be ok playing in the spotlight after his performance against WKU last season.
10) Washington- Not many teams can bring a tenacious defender like Venoy Overton off the bench. Overton needs to lose some of the attitude problems he has on the court, but it's a nice option to have a trio like Gaddy, Overton, and Isiah Thomas.
11-20
11) Maryland
12) Ole Miss
13) Kentucky
14) Purdue
15) Xavier
16) Georgetown
17) Missouri
18) UCLA
19) Seton Hall
20) Louisville
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Zing!
1) Kansas- Assuming they don’t start beating each other up and stop getting in fights with the football team, this is the most loaded backcourt in the country.
Love it.
I feel like he put UCLA up there just because they are UCLA. I’d have Kentucky in the top 10 but we’ll see if the program can keep clean through the year. Gonzaga’s back court depth alone makes them higher. The Zags can roll six-deep with Meech, Gray, Bouldin, Arop, Gibbs, and Vilarino. Not a lot of programs can match that depth. Texas is all I can really think of.
Great rant.
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by Zach Bell on Sep 23, 2009 3:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I still think you have UCLA too high. I think they’re going to be ugly this year. Good point about the HS players – you always see the elite players cited as justification for something or other in prognostications, justified or not, but lesser-known talents just don’t get the ink.
The biggest prob with the GU backcourt this season will be learning to play together, though the core of Bouldin, Gray, and Meech did get time last season together, Pargo and Micah were such a big part of things they’ll still have to make adjustments. Of course, a team like Kentucky will have to reinvent the wheel.
by Nevtelen on Sep 23, 2009 11:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
enjoyed it
really liked the rant, this should be the beginning of a new installment of “you know what really grinds my gears”. i really thought the UW back court would have been ranked higher (even though i have a lot of hatred towards that whole program). One thing you were a little off on was Meech shooting from only 2ft away, but he did have a game where he made some threes, and i think may turn into a threat from out there if he gets left open.
by zagagolf on Sep 24, 2009 10:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fair Assessment
Why do we always get so indignant when our guys are not ranked among the elite? Come on. Matty is a Top 10 guard. That we know. But Meech? Yes, he had the game winner in the Tourney, but he is not a good shooter and didn’t really do that much consistently to warrant national attention. Maybe after this season, but not deserving yet.
Gray? He is so frustrating. You just don’t know if he will show up game to game.
by MallonFan on Sep 24, 2009 10:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
As I noted
My issue wasn’t so much with the ranking of Gonzaga (although I do think that goodman ranked gonzaga low), but more so with his justification of having teams with unproven and in the case of UCLA fairly overrated guards ahead of Gonzaga. I guess I was just curious how Goodman could justify having Jerime Anderson as a better PG then Meech. Same with John Wall.
Final 4 or bust
by Max Mandel on Sep 24, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unproven Talent?
Isnt that what all Bob’s predictions are all based on? The comment above talks about Gibbs, Arop and Vilarino. And the guy wonders how a National writer doesn’t consider those guys and all the depth we have. Maybe because they have done NOTHING on the Court. They are unproven players. They have never stepped foot on a college court. Meech is also still unproven in my estimation.
If you want our unproven Zag players to be considered, don’t you think it’s fait that a National wrtier can talk about top 20 HS players, on in John Wall’s case, the No. 1 player in the country? Meech was not a top 100 player out of HS.
This is the problem I have. I love my Zags and want them all to be All Americans. But we just hype them too much and then get disappointed when they don’t meet our unrealistic expectations. Can we just let them play and see what happens? And not get offended when we are not being heaped with praise?
by MallonFan on Sep 24, 2009 4:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't care about the rankings of high school prospects
Look, rivals and scout provide a great service, and it’s incredibly fun to follow recruits over a two year period as Gonzaga and other schools recruit them, but once you are enrolled, all those rankings are thrown out the window. For example, do you really think there were 100 better freshman than Meech. No way there were. That is why I am not so quick to assume that John Wall will be an elite talent. How much is he willing to change his game now that he wont be able to put his head down and dribble by everyone on the court?
And I agree that Gonzaga fans, like all fans tend to hype their freshman beyond belief, but my whole article was based on that I think that is wrong until they have proven something on the court.
Final 4 or bust
by Max Mandel on Sep 24, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meech
I like him a lot. But what has he really done? He had the great game winner against WKU, but he had limited minutes and shot poorly. I saw WCC coaches literally telling their players to let him shoot. NOT a good shooter. Do you think he is better than Kevin Foster of SCU? Or even Rahon? Or Vaughn at USF? At least those guys actually scored. I hope he does well. He was not a top 100 player in HS and has not proven to be a top 100 player in his college class. Yet.
by MallonFan on Sep 24, 2009 8:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
FYI: Rahon's gone
I believe he’s at San Diego St.
Meech wasn’t really expected to be a shooter last season and I hope that he is not asked to do that this season. Meech showed the potential to be a very solid court general. In my opinion, the experience he got in clutch situations last season will be huge going forward.
As for us overhyping freshman, I’d say that’s because we feel confident in the way Mark Few has brought freshman in and easily adapted them to the system. Matt Bouldin, Steven Gray, Austin Daye, and Jeremy Pargo all got great experience as freshman (there are many more but you get the point). Coach Few has made it pretty clear that if he doesn’t redshirt a freshman, they are going to play a lot. Pargo played a great deal down the stretch his freshman year when Gonzaga lost to UCLA. Matt Bouldin scored 22 points I think against a top-10 Washington team when he was a freshman. We all know what Austin Daye and Steven Gray were able to do. My faith in the freshman class is derived from this staffs ability to bring in quality talent, what I have seen in film and trough word of mouth, and Mark Few’s ability to recruit kids that he can bring in instantly.
I’m sure you may call BS but with a backcourt of Bouldin, Meech, Gray, Vilarino, Gibbs, Arop, and at times even Kong, I wouldn’t trade this for any backcourt in the country. In the very least, we know that all these kids received a qualifying score on their college entrance exams.
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by Zach Bell on Sep 24, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meech
MallonFan, What do you mean he shot poorly? That may be your perception but it is not based in fact. Out of the entire roster last year, only one teammate who played most of the season that shot a better FG percentage than Meech… was Ira Brown. Meech shot 54% from inside the arc. The fact is just because you are called a “Top 100” does not make you the best comming in. Look at Austin Daye he was a top 100..his numbers sucked as did his attitude. He was never a bulldog IMO. Who was the top prospect last year…OJ Mayo..what did he do to live up to that…nothing! The fact is…if you are going to have a screen name that includes the name Mallon…it is going to be hard to listen to anything you have to say in the first place. Never did a player in a zag uniform ever cost his team more wins then Mallon. I do agree with you on one point..and that is the value of the Zag program is “the proof is in the pudding” not in the hype…it is based on their ability and willingness to play with a chip on their shoulder and to out work and out class the other team….this has only taken a hit since we started trying to add top 100’s to the roster.
by mattydog73 on Oct 1, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a great blog.
I’m not here to argue. Was just looking for an alternative to Bob’s rah rah board and the Reborns of the world. I like our backcourt too, but there are a lof of great back courts on the west coast. UCLA, Cal (Randall and Christopher) and as much as I hate to say it, Gaddy and IT at UW.
Unfortunately, the writing is on the wall for Gibbs. I expect we will see him transfer after this season. There is just no way I see him getting many munutes. And I have seen Arop play. He is not a guard. He is a 3.
by MallonFan on Sep 24, 2009 10:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
1/2/3/4/5? Whaaaaat?
Whats this bunk Manny’s not a guard, he’s a 3! You saw him play as a 3? What’s a 3? Who’s a 3? I love this “New Age” terminology for players. Manny can play GUARD. Maybe not Center but he can play GUARD. Lighten up MallonFan, you’d be surprised at the quality of insight on this Blog regarding hoops! As for backcourts, I haven’t seen all these kids up close and personal but I’ve watched them and they are as good as any in the country, IMO. As far as best………….I like the UW’s group of kids……….they will be the quickest, thats for sure and maybe the best defensively but EDZ, ZB and others may be right about this group at GU.
by mikesequim on Sep 24, 2009 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Super
Thanks for the words about the blog. I recommend you don’t read the post about Grant because it will probably fall under your “rah rah” definition. I won’t comment on the GU boards but like I said the last time you brought up our objectivity, we’re a blog run by fans. You probably won’t find a lot of early season cynicism from us but we do think we are keeping it pretty level headed. No one is saying that these freshman will be the second coming or that they will lead the team in any statistical category. We’re just excited…that’s all.
It sounds like you have seen a lot of the Gonzaga recruits play which is great. As a freshman, I think that Manny will see minutes on the wing and as an off guard. As for Grant, my expectations are high. From what we’ve heard he has really put on a lot of muscle and is fully healthy which is the best part. He was one of the most highly thought of guards in his recruiting class before he injured his wrist in January of his senior year. Grant’s going to get his fair shake like everyone else. I haven’t seen him play since high school and I was very impressed then and I expect him to be a contributor this season. If he doesn’t, I think you are probably right and he transfers but I know that it would take a lot for him to make that kind of decision.
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by Zach Bell on Sep 25, 2009 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are definitely coming in under the radar this year, but with players like Bouldin and Gray I think we should be ranked a bit higher. However Meech is still unproven and despite all reports of his vast improvement nothing is certain until we start playing. Also it is no secret that for the most part writers don’t keep a very watchful eye over what the Zag recruits are up to so there is a really good chance that one of our new guards could come in this year and blow up (Arop).
On the subject of John Wall though…this kid is scary good. Even though he has yet to prove himself on a college level, just watching a video of this kid is adequate proof to me that he is a special talent. And if he was improved his shot at all over the summer the number 4 ranking is deserved in my opinion.
by Bulldawgg on Sep 26, 2009 12:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, and welcome Bulldawgg
I can’t speak for EDZ because I didn’t have a problem with the rankings in terms of where we were. My only issue was with how he justified other teams. UCLA was the one that stuck out in my mind as being completely way too high. Texas’ depth is much better than Kentucky’s and Michigan State (in my opinion) has the best guard in the nation in Kalin Lucas. Overall, it’s not a huge error to have Gonzaga #14 but when you have three returning contributors from last year including a Wooden All-American watch list type player in Matt Bouldin and then you combine that with the talented youngsters that Gonzaga has coming in, you could argue we should be higher.
I’m remarkably confident that we’ll prove Goodman wrong and exceed expectations. The key: Steven Gray.
You’re right about Wall though. He’s a great talent and is as good as advertised. We’ll see if he can shoot consistently. It’s a young backcourt that will be desperate for a leader.
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by Zach Bell on Sep 26, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wall is very talented
But keep in mind the video you see is either in a pick up game or against high school competition. I don’t like anointing him, because who knows how he will respond when teams are gameplanning towards his weaknesses, and how he will handle facing players nearly as talented him on a game-by-game basis. I just find it odd that the kid is playing in North Carolina, and Roy Williams never showed much interest….makes me think something is off with the attitude or how he will translate to the next level.
Final 4 or bust
by Max Mandel on Sep 27, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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