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What insight did the opener provide?

After following the exhibition opener against Alberta, part of me wants to get excited and believe that this freshman class is as good as we all had hoped. Part of me wants to believe that all the worries we had about front court depth were unfounded, since Sam Dower and Kelly Olynyk seem like they could contribute in a big way. However, just as I really began to believe all of these thoughts, I remembered who the opponent was and what was at stake in this game. The best example I have for why nothing should ever be taken from an exhibition game is the first game that Larry Gurganious played in a Gonzaga uniform. In his debut as a freshman, Gurganious was absolutely incredible. He jumped the passing lane on seemingly every pass and finished with thundering dunks. After the first exhibition game, he even was named a starter for the second exhibition game. Unfortunately, Gurganious could never replicate the from against Division I competition, as the talent level and execution typically is at a much higher level. Gonzaga fans can even look back to last season when Andy Poling stole the show in the lone exhibition game. Poling was a menace on the glass and seemed to be an effective scorer in the post. With that said, the coaching staff clearly didn't make much of his performance because of the competition, and decided that Andy would be better suited taking a redshirt year. Now that I have finished my little rant on the significance of exhibition games, lets turn the focus to the highlights and what we should make of the 94-53 win over Alberta.

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The first thing that jumps out from this exhibition game is the feeling that this could be the one of the deepest groups that Mark Few has ever had at his disposal. As I mentioned in the game chat, it seems that this group could legitimately go 10 guys deep, and not have a huge drop off between the starting five and the next five. The back court seems completely loaded with Meech, Bouldin, and Gray clearly the starters. Mangisto Arop carried over his play from the summer with the Canadian National team and it appears that his game seems to be naturally transitioning from international play to the NCAA game. Arop pulled down a game-high 12 rebounds, which is just an incredible amount from the guard position. After seeing him do this the past two years with NEDA and in FIBA competition, it seems that we can confidently assume that Manny will have no problem attacking the glass at this level. GJ Vilarino provided a nice spark off the bench for the team. I like the three assists he produced, but I never want to see Vilarino take seven shots in a game this season. He needs to embrace the role that Meech did last year, and attack the rim in order to find open shooters. It appears the last spot in the backcourt rotation is still a competition between Grant Gibbs and Bol Kong. With Kong injured, Gibbs has the chance to establish himself in that role. However, Gibbs struggled tonight in limited minutes, and can't turn the ball over if he hopes to find consistent playing time.

 

Taking a look at the front court provides some more questions marks. Throughout the summer, we predicted that Harris and Sacre would start and be a pretty formidable duo. Sacre came out and did exactly what is expected of him, which is rebound and provide energy. Sacre forced no shots on the offensive end and was a force on the glass. Harris came out with some freshman jitters, but after settling down and finding his rhythm in the second half, he demonstrated the athleticism and skill that will make him a special player during his time in Spokane. When you look at the depth of the front court, that is when the picture begins to get cloudy. Both Sam Dower and Kelly Olynyk looked fantastic in their debuts tonight. However, they were facing guys who they were bigger and stronger then. I really question whether Dower and Olynyk could put this type of production together against LMU, and I am even more wary about how they would play against the likes of Memphis, Duke, and Michigan St. If either one is more likely to replicate their performance, I would go with Dower. He played against very solid competition in Minnesota, and he has the type of offensive game that will allow him to score even if he does not have the strength to match up with his defender. Defensively, Dower will be a liability throughout the season, since he just doesn't have the strength to compete against the elite level teams. In a perfect scenario, both would be redshirt candidates, as they each have scary good potential after they develop strength and get more comfortable in the offensive system. In order for the team to have confidence in redshirting Dower and/or Olynyk, Andy Poling will have to prove he is capable of providing valuable minutes off the bench.

As you may have guessed, I really can't find much to take from this game. I love how Matt Bouldin played, but I expect this type of production from him. The question with Bouldin will continue to be how he plays against elite athletes. Steven Gray showed some solid aggressiveness on the offensive end, but continued to settle for deep shots instead of attacking the rim. There is no reason for him to settle on the perimeter, since he has the strength and athleticism to attack the rim against any defender. Coach Few and the staff will learn so much more about this team when they scrimmage Texas on Saturday. This will be an excellent opportunity to learn more about the rotation and to get a better sense for who can contribute against elite competition. One thing I do know after this game is that this will be a fun season to watch. There is great depth and youth on this team, and I think there is the potential for a surprisingly good team by January.

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by Zag Man on Nov 3, 2009 2:21 PM PST reply actions  

Thanks alot, Zag Man

As far as my thoughts, and you kind of covered the same thing EDZ, was that the Gonzaga freshmen depth is doing exactly what they need to do this season. What I mean by that is that when we discussed what the new guys had to do this season, we noted they had to shoot smart shots, not turn the ball over, play strong defense, and REBOUND. Looking at the statlines for Manny Arop and Sam Dower, it’s clear that they can cover the rebounds and even grab some steals. Kelly Olynyk and GJ Vilarino were both very effective as well. Elias Harris struggled early but I think everyone realizes that he is the last of our worries with his athleticism.

I know that this was merely Alberta but to see these kids enter the fray and look pretty good doing it was a huge confidence booster. If Manny and Elias can keep getting physical on the offensive glass and if GJ can be smart with the basketball, they will be a huge help all season long. I’m still in the redshirt Sam and Kelly camp but both proved that they have legit skill.

These kids filled their roles last night and I hope it continues all season long.

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by Zach Bell on Nov 3, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

How is Bol Kong

What is the latest and is the scrimmage against texas getting any radio coverage?

by vandyman on Nov 3, 2009 2:53 PM PST reply actions  

Still out with an injury

There will be no coverage or any media access to the scrimmage between Gonzaga and Texas

Final 4 or bust

by Max Mandel on Nov 3, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

GJ is not Meech. Will never play like Meech. The only similaritiy they have as players is speed. GJ is way more offensive minded then Meech and I don’t ever see that changing. He is instinctively programmed to score.. No bad shots or forcing of shots though.

Furthermore, Coaching staff wants him to be aggressive offensively as he is one of the few players on this team, that can create his own shot off the dribble and get shots for others.

Additionally, there are no minutes for Kong in the back court. He is a front court player.

by memorial80 on Nov 3, 2009 4:35 PM PST reply actions  

I agree in principle

That they are different. However, I think that this year, GJ needs to be more of a distributor then a scorer. When you have Bouldin, Gray, Arop, Harris, and potentially Dower and Kong, GJ doesn’t need to take 7 shots. I love that he is playing with aggressiveness, but I’d like to see a more concerted effort to find the open man. Also, this was an exhibition game, so it doesn’t surprise me that in his debut, GJ forced the issue offensively. Once he settles in and gets accustomed to DI basketball, I have no doubt that he will play well backing up Meech, as well as on the court at the same time as him.

Final 4 or bust

by Max Mandel on Nov 3, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Bigs

You have to like the fact that the bigs were willing to crash the boards and play in the paint. It was nice to find them inside the 3-point line more than not. Sacre wanted to rebound and the play from Harris, Poling, Sam and Kelly was nice to see. I would have to say that while Kelly played well a year to add bulk would be good for him. Harris and Dower are bigger bodies already.

It is hard to really get a full read on the team when everyone was getting significant minutes and playing lessor competition. Clearly improvement from Kraziness though. Bring on MS Valley State.

by WyZag on Nov 3, 2009 4:50 PM PST reply actions  

frontcourt

These new bigs along with Sacre gives us at least four guys not including Foster that can rotate in at the 4/5 spots, and I think we are gonna roll with a 4-guard lineup as we get deeper into games. I think that we will hope for Harris to stay out of foul trouble and when he does we have so many combos of guards we can use in 4 spots. We will need to go with more speed against some of these teams so I don’t see how Few can miss that with the lack of a go-to guy inside. I like the new bigs a lot though, as long as they all understand their roles. We just need them to work hard and be efficient as a group offensively and it’s gonna be another fun season!

by SoundPound on Nov 3, 2009 7:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I think we are forgetting about Foster who is a game changer and gave pretty decent minutes in this game, he was one of the first off the bench and he will be used.

by DanielwMathews on Nov 3, 2009 7:35 PM PST reply actions  

I wish that was true and

Foster was a game changer but that is not the case, Will did not pan out in any way and wont have any effect on the team this year. What we need to focus on is developing our young bigs

by zagsfan4life on Nov 3, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions  

He is a game changer

He may not be exactly what we expected him to be, but i think he is useful. Obviously in the past he was a defensive liability if he got 2 feet away from the basket, in our opening game though he was rotating well. On offensive he has horrible hands, but (and i understand it is one game against subpar competition) he was putting himself in the right positions and had a nice lay in. I think few will use him to set a big screen at the top of the three and then cut down the lane, i think he will be a nice defensive presence for us.
I do think we need to develop our young ones too though!

by DanielwMathews on Nov 3, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Will

He’s terrible. He probably can’t effectively do something as simple as setting a screen, and cutting down the lane is something he CANNOT do, especially not with a finish at the rim. The fact that he’s still on the roster is pretty sad. He’s a liability on both ends of the floor, and I hate when he gets into our ESPN games because he embarrasses us on a national level. The average Kennel Club male over 6’ would seriously be a better fit for this team and progress more than Willy has.

by SoundPound on Nov 4, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I understand..

i get what you are saying i do, but i believe and i think it is obvious the coaches believe he can be useful. it will be interesting to see how they use him this year

by DanielwMathews on Nov 4, 2009 11:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Alberta

We were able to attend the exhibition game with Alberta. I am glad I am not one of the coaches who has to decide who red shirts and who does not. I also think that several of the new Zags will not finish their collegiate careers at GU (ie NBA) Peace and God Bless

by zag4Mary on Nov 3, 2009 9:51 PM PST reply actions  

Several?

The only freshmen I see with possible NBA potential before their tenure expires are Dower and Arop. The others are good and will be strong collegiate players, but I just don’t see them having their names lifted onto that sort of level. Also, it is important to remember that these guys are really young, and we have only seen them play against Alberta. This is a question that will need to be reexamined around Christmas time (and that is still pretty early to be bringing that into consideration).

Zagnificent - GU Class of 2011

by Zagnificent on Nov 3, 2009 11:01 PM PST reply actions  

GJ has a shot and Andy or Kelly could surprise us.

by DanielwMathews on Nov 3, 2009 11:12 PM PST reply actions  

Apparently Kelly has a great shot

When you think about his size, length, and skill set, it’s pretty clear that his potential is through the roof. He’s played point guard most of his life so he can obviously dribble the ball and work in transition so if he can add some muscle, develop a sound post game, and commit himself on the defensive end, I think that 3 or 4 years down the line, Kelly could get a shot in the NBA. But we’ve seen with guys like Heytvelt and Pargo that we always have to factor in international players into the mix and when you only have two rounds to draft, odds are against you.

Surprised no one mentioned Elias either. He’s a big kid that oozes athleticism and will be starting as a freshman. Those are all good signs to me.

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by Zach Bell on Nov 4, 2009 7:21 AM PST up reply actions  

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