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Postgame Reaction: Gonzaga defeats Mississippi Valley State in sloppy affair

We all knew heading into this game that there would be plenty of "wow" moments and plenty of "ugh" moments.  That is exactly what we got tonight as Gonzaga defeated the Delta Devils of Mississippi Valley State.  The score, 92-74, will look pretty in the papers tomorrow but there is obviously plenty of room for improvement before the Bulldogs board the plane to East Lansing to take on Michigan State.  

It wasn't all bad.  Obviously Gonzaga won the game and moved to 64-3 in the McCarthey Athletic Center and 1-0 on the season so there were positives abound.  The first thing that jumps to mind was the play of Elias Harris.  The nationally overlooked German freshman was outstanding from jump street.  If this was Harris' first game, you would not have known it.  Elias was 6-8 from the floor and 6-6 from the charity stripe for 18 points.  He also added seven rebounds to his stat line for one of the most impressive freshman debuts I can ever remember.  He continuously found new ways to get to the basket, handled passes well from guards, and honestly looked like a season vet when everyone else around him looked immature.  

The frontcourt was also bolstered by the solid play of Robert Sacre.  Sacre was probably the guy that most Gonzaga fans were looking at this game to see how much he has improved.  If tonight was any indication, we should be in for a nice treat with Rob.  Shooting 6-9 from the floor and 5-9 from the line, Rob ended up with 17 points and nine rebounds.  He had three turnovers but also had three blocked shots so we'll just cancel those out.  We'll judge Rob more after Michigan State but it was a solid debut.

The backcourt play was my biggest area of concern in this game which is odd because that is where our veteran leadership is.  Matt Bouldin came out of the gates and looked absolutely lost.  I believe he began the game 1-8 from the field.  He got his act together in the second half and finished with a very glossy 22 points but his performance in the first half was something Gonzaga can't have this season.  His play must be solid for the Zags to stay in game with teams like Michigan State, Duke, and Oklahoma.  Shooting nine three-pointers is something that I hope Mark Few talks to Matt about.  His strength is at the hoop and that is where he can kill opposing teams with his size.  Steven Gray started out nicely in the first half but then kind of fell asleep in the second half.  Shooting 5-8 from the floor, he finished with 16 points.  Bouldin and Gray combined for SEVEN turnovers.

The point guard play was nothing to write home about.  Demetri Goodson never got going and only turned in three assists.  GJ Vilarino played a very good game in limited minutes and, besides Elias, was the most impressive freshman.  He came off a screen and drilled a three early on and then drew a couple fouls to score six points in 12 minutes.  The two will have to produce more assists but if you watched the game, it didn't behave like a game where assists would be really prevail. 

Other tidbits from tonight's game...

-- Kelly Olynyk and Andy Poling's minutes surprised me.  Poling played two minutes in his debut and it was all mainly in garbage time.  Olynyk, obviously well ahead of him in the rotation, was the first man off the bench and played 17 minutes.  The jury remains out on him.  He played with a lost of hustle but looked pretty rattled early and didn't show a lot of poise with the ball in his hands.

-- Grant Gibbs and Manny Arop appear to be battling for minutes with Gibbs having the edge right now.  Manny got a lot of minutes in clean up time and finished with 14 total minutes.  Gibbs played a more meaningful 11 minutes tonight and looked solid.  Both had two points, a few rebounds, and made nice strides.  I liked what I saw out of both of the reserve guard/wings.

-- Will Foster is who you thought he was.  Still buried in the rotation, Foster will eat up a few minutes, get a rebound or two and make you scratch your head on offense.  He had a nice dunk and two blocks but, don't expect a wealth of improvement.

The pace of the game and Gonzaga's style tonight doesn't bode well for Tuesday's match up with Michigan State.  Turning the ball over 17 times against an inferior opponent like MVSU is something that can't happen in East Lansing.  They'll take those turnovers and convert every time down the floor.  The team defense was nice as the Devils only shot 42% but they connected on 11-26 three-pointers.  Perimeter defenese is always an issue at Gonzaga and it appears that it might continue to be.

Feel free to use this thread as your postgame reaction.  If you were in the MAC, we'd love to hear your thoughts.  Next game is Tuesday on ESPN against the Spartans of Michigan State.

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Lookin good

Of course it was hard to gauge the defense against such a feeble opponent, but it’s obvious we’re not gonna give games away inside. The offense is dynamite. The less experienced shooters gave way to the guys that were hot.
Bouldin looked like we want him to, Steven took only quality shots (in terms of selection), Harris showed us some reasons for the hype… kind of like Michael Beasley in his raw natural ability to put the ball in the basket around the glass. Sacre is blowing my mind compared to what I expected.

We have two complete offensive guards in Gray and Bouldin who can score from deep or by attacking the tin, the offense is all theirs it’s going to be a lot of fun to watch!

by SoundPound on Nov 14, 2009 8:03 PM PST reply actions  

Thanks for the post

Was a lot of fun tonight on the web! You guy do a great job and I really PU a great deal from the knowledgeable posters. ZB, I looked at my notes that I take along with watching the game that I will use when I breakdown the game for myself and they’re almost tit for tat with your post! Wow, thats scary, lol! The only thing I would add right now would be, I thought KO was really out of position most of the night, lacked foot speed, very poor defensively with his hands down most of the time and very seldom blocked out. To me, just plain poor fundementals. Loads of upside but should never be getting this many minutes.

Looking forward to read others overall views of the game. Again, thanks for the good job.

by mikesequim on Nov 14, 2009 8:27 PM PST reply actions  

That was really pathetic by FSN

They showed the entire Jazz-Cavs game rather than Gonzaga. Once that game was over, they finally jumped to the Gonzaga game with 2 minutes to go in the game. That sucked.

by PascoJoe on Nov 14, 2009 8:53 PM PST reply actions  

Huge bummer...

This is the same FSN that continues (!) to pay Ehlo and Heister. Still! I can’t say I’m surprised that they’d show something else on accident.

Sorry that happened. Frustrating, I’ll bet

by MarshallMcCard on Nov 15, 2009 5:21 AM PST up reply actions  

My worries...

1. While I like…wait no…love that the Zag offense is so balanced it worries me that there is no go to guy. I wouldn’t make a big deal of this but there were two stretches (one in each half) where the offense looked anemic and no one seemed to want to step up and take a shot. You can’t beat top-tier talent with offensive lulls like those.

2. WHY DOES THE TEAM REFUSE TO GUARD 3 POINT SHOOTERS!!!! AGHHHH!!! (I will only bring this up 5- to 600 more times this year…and next year…and the year after that…)

by SethGrandpa on Nov 15, 2009 2:16 AM PST reply actions  

Seth

1. The offensive balance is pretty exciting. I want to know: a) How you can assume there is no go to guy after one game against a weak opponent in which we wanted to get as many players in and comfortable as possible; and b) Did you see Matt? He’s the go to guy, which creates more open shots for Steven, who is Matt’s main complement.
-We did have a lull in each half, but what’s new? I would rather have one or two main scorers with some role players than what we had last year. I saw the offense look tentative at times, but when Matt and/or Steven are off the court we are going to milk the shot clock a bit to get them back on the floor missing minimum possessions.

2. Couldn’t agree more! I think Few just gets off on shootouts so he wants to keep it close? I don’t know, lol. It’s Few not taking advantage of the help we have inside. It’s like he wants to take away the mid range game or something. Who knows.

by SoundPound on Nov 15, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Great First Showing

I was at the game and enjoyed pretty much all aspects of the game being it was the 1st one that counted. Elias showed me how amazing he can be as a down-low scorer and rebounder. Only mistakes he made were some silly fouls that he can correct. My biggest thing was what is the coaching staff going to do with Andy Poling? Is he hurt or just not doing well in practice? It said alot to me that a walk-on in Michael Hart got in before Andy did with just 3-4 minutes to go in game. Also glad to see how great Rob Sacre played. He made great moves in the paint and was ok at the free-throw line 5-9. His true test will come on Tuesday night against Michigan State and their bigs. I thought Matt was pressing a bit in 1st half but settled down nicely with a great 2nd half to lead team especially with that huge 3 to stop the Delta Demons scoring run. All in all I was pleased with effort from everyone but we’ll see where we are after Tuesday! Go Zags!!

by zaghawks on Nov 15, 2009 2:18 AM PST reply actions  

Wrong Name-Oops

Delta Devils sorry not Delta Demons!

by zaghawks on Nov 15, 2009 2:22 AM PST reply actions  

Last night's rotation

1. Matt Bouldin
2. Steven Gray
3. Demetri Goodson
4. Rob Sacre
5. Elias Harris
6. Kelly Olynyk
7. Grant Gibbs
8. GJ Vilarino
9. Manny Arop
10. Will Foster
11. Andy Poliing
???: Kong, Hart

That is the rotation that Mark Few seemed to be riding last night. I think that GJ and Manny could have gone either way and Will could be higher at any point but overall, he seems pretty buried in the rotation. Still a bit stunned by the minutes of Andy Poling but if KO plays well, I’ll get over it pretty quick.

Just remember that this was the lead up game to Michigan State so Mark Few probably was holding things/certain aspects of the game back. This may explain why Elias Harris played so few minutes. I expect him to be a big piece of the MSU puzzle and I’m sure Few was hoping to surprise Izzo with his ability but that won’t happen now!

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by Zach Bell on Nov 15, 2009 8:07 AM PST reply actions  

still testing the rotation waters?

Seems like the rotation of last nights game was still testing some of the incredible depth this year.
It will be very exciting to see what line up evolves for the Spartans this Tuesday!
It didn’t seem like Andy & Manny were on last night, was excited to see Gray show some bursts of energy. Couldn’t help but think how much fun the next few years are gonna be with such an exciting group!

by zag62 on Nov 15, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Review

Watched the game. Reviewed the game. Watched the game. I’m stunned at the rotation and minutes played. I see nothing in this game that would lead me to play KO ahead of anybody! Grant played so much better and look at who Manny was playing with. GJ played well in his limited time. Hart even got in ahead of Andy in the second half. The most dissappointing thing was the lack of an “Offense”. This truely looked like a PU game with shades of European and NBA style of play. Watch the game and look at how fast we shot the ball. How few sets were run and how they ran into each other in there effort to try to run a set. What I watched last night was Athletes playing not a GU team yet but that will come. JMO

by mikesequim on Nov 15, 2009 8:38 AM PST reply actions  

press

I was at the game last night, and probably my favorite part of the game was late in the second half when MVS attempted a full court press. It was fun to watch Demetri just cut through the press each time he brought the ball up. It was at least four possessions in a row where he just broke through the press and left three defenders in his dust standing in the backcourt.

Boy, that kid is fast.

by stache-tastic on Nov 15, 2009 9:41 AM PST reply actions  

two things

1) Saw some of Sacre’s moves, he looked pretty good.

2) Game on Tuesday at East Lansing. Which announcers are doing this? Anyone but Vitale, PLEASE!!!!!!

Go Zags!!

Josh Normand

by Jmnor8 on Nov 15, 2009 10:44 AM PST reply actions  

Announcers

Dave O’Brien and Steven Lavin.

Not Dukie V.

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by Zach Bell on Nov 16, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Kelly O

I think Kelly’s entering first was because of Harris’ foul and Few not wanting a quick second one. Few has said that Harris is still adjusting to D-1 versus Euro b-ball.

IMO Kelly works hard and will become a major piece to this years team’s success. I really liked Grant’c hustle and his effort and think he will be the sixth man.

by WyZag on Nov 15, 2009 12:00 PM PST reply actions  

A couple thoughts

1. I love seeing the hustle and diving on the floor, it reminded me of the good old days with the zags when there could be 3 or 4 guys on the floor diving for balls.

2. i still love meech on defense he plays real tight and is able to shut down alot.

3. Harris= stud…..yep

4. I know ill get blasted for this one but i think that foster will be a big contributer this year. While his stats may not have impressed many (and i think he had more blocks than they gave him) he has a natural ability to cause teams to slow down and change their shots. He was moving his feet some and getting in the right position as well. He is an offensive liability sure but when he was played with elias we went on a big run, also he could have been more productive on offense had his guards put the ball up rather than throwing him passes at his waist.

5. GJ is a shooter that i cant wait to see go off.

6 KO has some intangibles and hustles but i would rather see Andy

7. Gibbs did not impress but we will see.

8 Matt and steven played well, still working on that leadership. it will come.

9. Sacre was surprising but i wonder if those same moves will work against some bigger boys.

by DanielwMathews on Nov 15, 2009 12:32 PM PST reply actions  

Foster man crush?

With all the talented players we have how can Will be a big contributor? Are you Will Foster? You make eight other reasonable points then mention Will in a positive way I just don’t understand. You could’ve given Matt his due at #4 for a great offensive show, but instead you went on about Will again. He’s a “game changer” right? LOL. There was one pass at his waist, who are you to say it wouldn’t have hit him right in the chest or nose if the pass were on a dime instead?

You DO like the Zags right? Why do you defend Will instead of hold the program accountable for a waste of time, space, and money? Consider yourself blasted :)

by SoundPound on Nov 15, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I am in no way saying that foster is the best player on the team, he isnt. We have plenty of people (probably the whole team) that are better basketball players than he is. He does however have a unique skill set (he’s 7’5 and log limbed) that we can use to our advantage. He can be a big contributor on defense and change a game, just his presence forces people to adjust shots. The reason i expounded on will rather than matt is exactly because of this conversation. I could have talked about matt and his scoring, but everyone agrees on that. I could talk about Harris and his athletic ability, and no one would disagree, it wouldnt cause anyone to adjust the way they look at him. But by looking at will and trying to figure out what he can do brings new ideas and opportunities for discussion. Do i blame the zags for taking a chance on a big guy, no. i think taking chances is when you can find that diamond, will is not that diamond, but he can still contribute.
I will continue to try and raise points that are unique and i will continue to try and find new things or new ways to look at things…and…

I will consider myself blasted :)

by DanielwMathews on Nov 15, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

LIghten up!

Not every player on a team is supposed to become a starter. It may seem that way at Gonzaga of late but that isn’t how it works in the real world.

Just because a guy doesn’t light it up during games doesn’t mean he doesn’t contribute in other ways — like . . . practice for one. I do believe Foster can do more for you than guys with brooms when it comes to preparing to play against some of those trees out there.

If you read the Michigan State chatter, you will find all kinds of comments like Sound Pound’s referring to guys on their roster too.

Every team has some guys that have scholarships that never manage to work their way into the starting line-up or play significant minutes on the floor.

mjc

by quidveritas on Nov 16, 2009 8:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Good talk

I’m just set that he was a waste of a scholarship. We could’ve cut him loose after 2 years and picked up another scholarship worthy player. I know they’re ALL not meant to be starters, but how could Will be perceived as being worth the scholarship? As much as I can’t stand his game you are right that he has a defensive presence. So, if he were a walk-on, I would probably not have any problem with him coming in when he is the last big we have left and basically getting P-Maag minutes. And Daniel it sounds like you’ve played with Will I didn’t catch on til now that you know him you should’ve said something! I totally understand someone trying to talk up a person they played with I wouldn’t have torn him up so bad haha…

by SoundPound on Nov 16, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh you can tear him up i have l thick skin, i actually didnt play with him on a team, i tutored him and we would ball sometime. In hindsight sure he probably wasnt worth it, but i think this will be the year when he makes a difference (a 120,000 dollar difference no, but i think he will.
Question- how often does few offer a full ride and then give it away? i feel like he isnt in the business of doing that often.

by DanielwMathews on Nov 17, 2009 7:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Jim M's piece at the SR

Jim has some interesting comments from Mark Few on his post. Of particular interest is one on Steven and one on the Wing play last night.

by mikesequim on Nov 15, 2009 12:52 PM PST reply actions  

They looked good to me!

I got to watch the game last night courtesy of Justintv….which is an awesome way to watch a game. It was either that or go to the local Hooter’s to watch it on their satellite feed. I hope we have more Zags games through the internet.
I was really impressed the way the kids attacked the glass last night. Elias Harris and Rob Sacre were beasts on the boards! It was great seeing two post players controlling the paint. I didn’t think we shot the ball from the outside very well last night, but the guys found ways to score. When we are hitting the outside shots like we should, I think there will be few teams that can stay with us. Steven Gray played a very good game, as did Matt Bouldin….especialy in the 2nd half. I look forward to seeing how the team plays at Michigan State this Tuesday. Win or lose, I hope they play a solid game and keep impoving. This could be an outstanding team by year’s end if that happens!

by Zag Man on Nov 15, 2009 3:53 PM PST reply actions  

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