Open Thread: What is the biggest question mark heading into the season?
With the season officially kicking off in two days, we decided that now would be the perfect time to try out this new idea we have for the site. I have posted a topic that I think could provide an interesting debate among all the readers on this site. Instead of the usual long article from either myself or Zach B, the purpose of this thread is to create a debate and to hear all of your ideas on this topic. So after thinking about the question that is asked in the thread, we would like to encourage everyone to post their thoughts and discuss what they think is the biggest question mark surrounding this team. If we can get some great debate going, then we would definitely look into making this a weekly segment during the season, since what makes this site so great is the ability to have unique and insightful contributions from our readers. So please let us know, What is the biggest question mark heading into the season?
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For me, the biggest question mark remains front court depth. I have a large amount of faith in both Rob and Elias, as I think they compliment each other perfectly on the court. Rob will be the enforcer type, while Elias can use his off the charts athleticism to dominate the game offensively.
However, I remain worried about what we will see from Will, Andy, and Kelly. With Will, he can’t be on the court if he remains a liability on the offensive end of the court. I haven’t seen or heard anything that makes me think that he will be able to contribute on the offensive end of the floor. Andy remains a giant question mark, since the only time any of us have even seen him play in a competitive game was over a year ago. I was quite surprised by how little time he was in the exhibition game, and that made me think that perhaps he hasn’t developed the way that everyone hoped. That leaves Kelly Olynyk, who despite playing well in the exhibition game, is still not strong enough to compete against the elite teams on the Gonzaga schedule. This team needs one of these three guys to step up and be able to contribute in order for this team to make a deep push late in the season.
Final 4 or bust
Agree
Whether or not Rob can stay healthy and be productive is my biggest concern. After Rob, who do you look down the bench to? I am hoping to see more of Andy on Saturday and hoping he gives me some re-assurance that we will be okay on the blocks. Unfortunately, I don’t think Will will ever have an offensive presence while at Gonzaga. I cannot see Kelly banging bodies with anybody down there and appears to be more of a 4 to me. And you didn’t mention Sam…is the word that he will redshirt?
It appears so
From what Sam has said, it appears that he is the most likely to redshirt. I believe the original plan is for him to redshirt and Kelly to play. However, if Kelly struggles mightily and they need Sam to play, I think they would pull the redshirt from Sam and have him play. I don’t think anything is set in stone, but at this point, expect Sam to redshirt.
Final 4 or bust
Chemistry
It’s undeniable that we have a lot of talent and the pieces to assemble a very high caliber NCAA team. However, it has yet to be seen whether we can incorporate all of these pieces into a functioning and effective system in tough games. I remember two years ago when we had two great freshmen (Daye/Gray) and a number of other strong individuals. However, when it came time to play some stronger competition (like WSU), our game plan was to give the ball to one player and let him try to score. If that didn’t work, another player would try, and another, and another. It just seemed like the team was never able to work things out and engage in set plays and generate an effective and consistent offense.
This year, with such a strong recruiting class and a solid returning backcourt, the greatest question in my mind is whether Meech can take the reigns and really utilize all the tools and strengths that we have. If he is able to call and set plays, distribute the ball and keep the defense guessing, I think we will be a very dangerous team offensively. A big part of that offense will have to come from the post area with Sacre/Foster/Polling. I know EDZ touched on that just before me, but if we can’t maintain a strong scoring threat down low with the back to the basket approach, winning games against talented teams will be very difficult. In my mind, Meech is the linchpin for the system and our success and productivity depends on how well he steps into his starting role, and how effectively he is able to bring this team together and incorporate all of the individual talent.
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Right On
The ability of this team to ‘jell’ will have much to do with its success or lack thereof.
mjc
mjc
by quidveritas on Nov 12, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
I'm very confident with chemistry
Matt Bouldin has made it blatantly clear that he is enjoying this season more than any other. I think he is enjoying the leadership role and is taking everything in stride. From everything I have seen and heard about Elias, Bol, Manny, GJ, Sam, and Kelly, they are all first rate guys that are playing at the school they belong. I think that this is huge because if they can gel off the court, that will make their transition onto the court that much easier. They’ll take some time getting their timing down and figuring out who is comfortable in what spot on the court, but in the end, I think it’ll be a great transition.
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I agree with what you are saying
What is your confidence level in Meech? Personally, I think his development is the last of the worries at this point. He can really push the tempo and we know what we will get defensively from him. What will be interesting to me is to see how well he can play in a half court offense (Hello Michigan St.). If he can excel in that type of game, then this team will really surprise some people throughout the season.
Final 4 or bust
Meech
Since I’ve yet to really understand his mindset, I don’t think I’ve acquired a confidence level for him. I watched him last year and at times felt more comfortable with him at point than Pargo. However, I’m not ready to accept that he hasn’t changed since Pargo’s departure and his ascension to the starting role. If he comes out against Miss. Valley and MSU and tries to beat his defender every other play, I don’t expect this team to function well or to go very far. However, if he accepts the role as the distributor and ensures that his defender respects his speed, our team could function extremely well. My expected line for Meech would probably be 6points, 2rebounds, 5assists, 2turnovers. If he scores in double digits regularly, I think he’s overextending himself within the offense.
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by Zagnificent on Nov 12, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
Scoring
Whenever you lose as many players as Gonzaga did, it’s going to be hard to replace the offensive output. I think we have seen in the first exhibition and the scrimmage that the news guys have no issue with shooting the ball but I’m still worried about if we have enough scorers. Most of my reason for concern actually spawns with Matt Bouldin and Steven Gray. In the past, these two have been a partof a talented offensive team. This year they are front and center on a very young offensive team. This means that Matt and Steven will face every team’s best defender, they will be gameplanned against to stop, and they will have to play their best games night in, night out to continue to flourish. My concern is that Matt and Steven are so vital to this teams success that if they get shut down, or go on a cold streak, or even get hurt, who can pick up the slack. I know the new guys will be great over time but I’m not ready to ask them to score 15 or 20 points a game quite yet.
Especially with Michigan State on the horizon, you better believe that Izzo will be saying “win the back court battle, shut down bouldin, and we will win”. So many questions with this team and it remains to be seen if Rob Sacre can be a consistent offensive threat. If he can, then I will feel so much better about scoring but if he can’t, I think we are in trouble.
There are obviously a number of concerns…but a lot to be excited about.
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One more thing
I’d like to hear how many points people expect from Meech. I’ve gone back and forth and often settle on around 8-12. What say you?
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I think that meech will score most of his points off of his defensive pressure and pushing the ball i dont see him score a lot in an offensive set. i would agree that he scores about 9 points per game. I think we will get good production out of Poling and GJ as far as points are concerned. My big concern is in the defensive side with the big men. Let me clarify. i think we have great defenders but not alot have size (or width) and i am curious to see if they can hold their own down low without becoming foul prone. Staying out of foul trouble is key for young teams and i am worried that we may get foul prone down low.
Not a lot of size? Rob is a 7’er and seems very strong, Elias is apparently pretty strong and athletic. With the backups, it’s a lot more dicey, though, I agree.
I also agree that fouls concern me the most this season – both getting them (no matter how skilled, strong, and athletic Rob and Elias are, if they can’t stay out there, it doesn’t matter and that takes experience) and drawing them – let’s hope the FT% from the exhibiton improves.
I guess by size i mean width, we dont have alot of weight to throw around compared to some bigger programs. Sacre has some but i am concerned he may get into some foul trouble that could hurt us.
by DanielwMathews on Nov 13, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
Back Court Consistency
I hope the guards can be consistent with scoring and delivering the ball for easy points in the paint. I just caught Villanova coach Jay Wright on the SVP radio show. He said he would rather go into the year with an experienced back court and young front court (sound familiar). His theory is that mature guards can make good decisions on getting the ball inside where an inexperienced big should be able to score. I hope the Zags can prove his theory correct.
Very true
The key for a point guard is to initiate an offense and put the guys around him in the position to score. I think Meech has that mindset, and we have obviously seen that when the flex offense is in rhythm, guys will get open and have good looks. It’s important for Meech to be able to get the offense to run at a high level in the half court, as he will obviously be a threat when the guys can get out on the fast break.
Final 4 or bust
Steven Gray
Gray is the biggest question mark for me. The reason is if you give every player a floor and a ceiling his has the widest range. For example, take Rob. Rob’s floor is that he will struggle with injuries and chip in 4-6 points and 4-6 boards a game, when playing. Obvisously IMHO. Rob’s ceiling for this year is about 12-14 points a game and close to 10 boards. That isn’t the widest range. The thing is we know what we are going to get out of most players on this team.
Can you say the same for Steven? His floor is 6-8 points a game with no consistency. His ceiling is a 20-24 ppg average which frees up Boulin as well. All of this is just my opinion on what to expect from the different players. If Steven can perform like we all know he can on a consistant basis then we could have a darn good season where we truly reload and go into the NCAA’s as a 6 or 7 seed that no one wants to face. Which in my opinion a round of 32 appearance would constitute a great season.
20-24 ppg would put SG
Pretty near the top in D-1. Are we saying that he’s got potential to be one of the top scorers in college hoops? I love him as much as anyone, but that many points from a college player is a hell of a lot.
by MarshallMcCard on Nov 13, 2009 8:04 AM PST up reply actions
I think Gray could score 24 a game
I’m not sure he will score 24 a game or should score 24 a game. That would depend on the offense we are running the the defense we are facing.
Gray does not have AM’s shoot, shoot, shoot, huh, oh yeah, well right after this shot mentality.
I think he will have some big games this year — how many depends on how other teams play us.
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by quidveritas on Nov 13, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
I agree with your Morrison analogy
But to average that many points in a college game as a wing, you need that mentality. In a sense, I don’t agree that he could be a 24 ppg guy simply because he’s talented. If that were the case, a lot of guys could be 24 ppg guys.
by MarshallMcCard on Nov 13, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
That was my thought on what his ceiling was...
Granted to reach that ceiling, he would have to change his mentality but I do think talent wise he has the ability to reach the 20 to 24 range.
I look at someone’s scoring average as a final product of many different components.
1) Does the player have the natural ability to score? Gray does
2) Is he the the focal point of the opposing teams defensive schemes? I don’t think he is, creating more opportunities.
3) Does the team need him to score 20 a game? I think this team needs Steven to score in bunches
4) What kind of competition does the player play against? I would say GU has one of the hardest non conference schedules out there, but one of the easiest league schedules. However, this really doesn’t matter to Gray has his best game was against a tough UConn team last year.
5) Does the coach give him the green light? Few has told the media that he wants Gray to be more aggresive.
Always, JMO.
Well said on Steven
There is no doubt he will every opportunity to be a 20+ a game type scorer for this team. However, the real question is whether or not he has the mentality to consistently attack and consistently put pressure on his defender. At this point in his career, Steven hasn’t shown the ability to do that. If he can, I actually think this team has a higher ceiling then the round of 32. However, if Steven doesn’t push up the aggressiveness, then i don’t see this team getting past the first round.
Final 4 or bust
Team Chemistry
The successful teams at Gonzaga in the past had players that knew their roles and gave up their individual accolades for the good of the team. If this team has the right chemistry, I believe they can be very successful since the talent of each individual player is obvious. I think this transformation will take a few games to develop, but by the start of the WCC play, I’m hoping we’ll see the final product of this Gonzaga team. I’m really looking forward to the season beginning!
Surprise: our backcourt
I believe our backcourt will be our least consistent piece this season. I like each player, but they each seem to have a hole in their game. Meech- can he score consistently, especially in slow paced games (MSU). Bouldin- He’s often struggled against the top competition, especially the ultra- athletic teams (UNC, Memphis). Gray- simply inconsistent/ not sold on his defense. While I believe our front court of Sacre, Harris, Poling, and Olynyk, while very young, has the talent and game to hang with most teams.
The Bigs and Role playing!
Post play is the key this year. We have all the guards and wing players with some left over for red shirting if necessary. I agree with the previous posters who suggest that Andy, Will and whomever they don’t redshirt (KO or Sam) must step up! What was lacking the last 3-4 years was role players! We had them, they just wouldn’t cooperate. I believe that the biggest asset these young players bring to this team is not their overall talent but their willingness to win and their team success! If this staff can get these players to fill the roles the coaching staff expects of them…………..the sky is the limit. I’ve looked back 5 years and I think this is the most talented group we’ve had. JMO, but the difference is they seem to be willing to do whatever it takes to succeed as a team. That is special! Looking forward to Sat. Thanks for the post.
Coaching?
Coach Few has reloaded in the past, but never has he had so many new players at once. He has not been one to give many minutes to a new player – especially Freshmen. Other than Dickau and Stepp, I cannot recall new players receiving lots of playing time right from the get go – even JP Bautista, who was a stud the moment he stepped on the floor, was eased into playing minutes.
Bouldin is a great leader, but in clutch situations not every match up will favor Matt. Few has been a master at drawing up plays when he absolutely needs a bucket…what has the coaching staff drawn up and for whom!?
There are a lot of weapons in the arsenal – will the staff know which tool to use for the job?
This year is going to be a blast to watch!
On the chemestry note...
I’m really not a believer in chemistry much with regards to on the field results in sports if only because teams that win ALWAYS have good chemistry (cause guys get along when they win) and teams that lose ALWAYS have chemistry issues (cause you get cranky when you lose). Guys can dislike each other and win (and visa versa). “Chemistry” is just a buzz word for lazy sports writers.
My bigger concern with Few. As much as Mark Few is rightfully praised, he’s an amazing recruiter and a wonderful “face of the university,” he’s not a stellar game coach. One of his major flaws is being unable to get the best lineups on the floor. If our team struggles in the post will he consider going Villanova style and go super small? Will a certain player get in his doghouse and get unnecessarily pulled often (filling in Micah’s vacant role).
Additionally will the team ever learn how to guard the 3 (a major flaw in every Zag team he’s coached)? Will players play up to their potential (something that didn’t happen the past 2 years, but should be easier to meet since we don’t know what to expect from the youngins)? Will he be able to win a game against a top flight coach (his record is so bad against them, but he’s got a chance with Izzo and Coach K)?
Chemistry
A buzz word for sure! It does however apply to teams overall willingness to accept their true roles and play within those boundry’s for the good of the team, hence, “Good Chemistry”. I would take issue with your simplicity of the term. I’m not sold on the idea that players can dislike each other and be consistent winners especially in the NCAA tourneys at the elite levels. During the season, yeah, they can dislike each other, be great athletes, have no “Chemistry” and win. Your right about “just because of good chemistry they win” as an issue and that just because they have Good Chemistry makes them winners, it doesn’t! You need talent, coaching and some breaks. Maybe, unselfishness, willing to be a role player and hard work could be better terms but probably some people and I include myself, use the word Cemistry with that in mind.
Coach Few has won against some fairly good Coaches: MichStU., Izzo, UNC, Williams, Texas, Rick Barnes, UCONN, Calhoun……………….not too bad of a resume? That doesn’t include other great coaches from, TENN, WA, STAN, GEOR, ST JOE, WSU and a host of others not including some pretty good ones in the WCC over the years. I just don’t see the bad job! Could be wrong though!
Some of that I agree with – Few is a good but not great game coach and, like all coaches, has his idiosyncracies. But not beating great coaches? Seriously? Who has he beaten – Izzo, Roy Williams, and Barnes (when he had Durant) to name a few. Sure he’s also lost to top-flight coaches, but great coaches usually have great teams and no one has a huge winning % vs elite teams.
defense, defense, defense
Great chemistry & offense at the post certainly are keys to 2010 success… but what about that defensive?
Few & staff must be working hard to make defense a priority again for the coming season?
Defense is definitley a question mark...
Mostly perimeter defense; not only because have a brand new batch of players, but if you look at our losses (and some of our close wins) during the Mark Few era, perimeter defense has been below average. I would bring rebounding into question but I feel more confident with Sacre and Elias who are likely to stay home under the basket than Heytvelt was as he roamed the perimeter.
by James Buchanan on Nov 13, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions

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