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Washington Makes an Indecent Proposal

It was recently reported by some guy named "Softy" from Seattle's 950 KJR radio station that Lorenzo Romar and Washington have proposed a three game series with Gonzaga beginning in 2010.  This would appear to be a milestone for the state of Washington because it would have signified the rebirth of a great basketball series between the two flagship basketball programs in the state of Washington. 

Then the details of the arrangement came.

Washington's proposal as it is being reported now is for all three games of the series to be played in Seattle at the Key Arena.  That's right, for all three years, Gonzaga would be forced to make the trip across the state to Key Arena to play right in Washington's backyard.  I'm not 100% sure how these negotiations will play out but I could imagine Gonzaga saying yes to Washington if it just became a true home and home or they at least offered Gonzaga one game in Spokane at the arena.  I understand that Key Arena holds probably about 5,000 more fans than Spokane Arena but to ask a team that has dominated this series in recent history to travel to Seattle three straight years is ridiculous.

The last time these two schools played was the 2006-07 season when Washington came to the McCarthey Athletic Center as the 8th best team in the nation and were ran out of the gym by freshman Matt Bouldin (21 points).  The game ended in a twenty point rout for the Zags and the Gonzaga fan base was particularly fired up because it was the final game the two schools would play in the foreseeable future because (according to ESPN):

The game was the last in the annual series the instate rivals have played for the last decade. Washington is choosing not to renew the contract because it says it has no room on its national schedule next season.

Gonzaga has won eight out of the ten games played between these two teams before the series was canceled.  Gonzaga fans often chuckle at the phrase "no room on its national schedule next season".  In-state rivalries are eaten up by national audiences and the Gonzaga-UW rivalry was so special because it took a traditional, BCS power team like Washington and pitted them against upstart Gonzaga that was just looking for a big name on their schedule.  The cool thing now is that Gonzaga is on the map.  They don't have to pander to Washington and Lorenzo Romar to get national attention.  Mark Few has already worked out true home and homes with programs like Michigan State and Wake Forest in coming years and the Washington State-Gonzaga game is now the hottest ticket in town.

In closing, it is pretty clear to me that this is Lorenzo Romar answering his critics by saying "see, I offered a series, but they declined." It's a feeble attempt to get pressure off of his back for pulling out of the series a few years ago.  If I'm Mark Few, I toss this proposal into the garbage can and send Romar the results of the last nine match ups between the two teams and a copy of all the teams that he has gotten to come to Spokane and a brief message along the lines of "we don't need you".

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Take the Offer

Throw the offer in the trash? I think not. The only reason to even think about saying no is that GU does not necessarily need this type of game with the way they already schedule. I don’t even see this as an “indecent proposal”. This is actually a fair proposal because it is on a neutral floor with a 50/50 ticket split so the only disadvantage is traveling to Seattle. The fact that it is played in Seattle does not mean the Huskies have a home court advantage if the arena is split 50/50 right? Considering GU’s willingness to travel in the past and the fact they usually do well on such trips, a short flight to Seattle is relatively meaningless. I think GU would be wise to accept this offer and then prove ON THE COURT that they are the top dawgs of the state, rather than saying we have won the last however many games in the series.

by Spokane on Oct 21, 2009 1:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Obviously I disagree

Gonzaga has nothing to prove and this type of deal makes it seem as though we do. Gonzaga plays a national schedule. Nearly every conference games in on one of the ESPN’s. Other nonconference games are featured on ESPN and CBS. UW needs Gonzaga, not the other way around. The Pac-10’s TV deal is garbage and Gonzaga coming to Seattle and playin them would almost guarantee a great timeslot with CBS. This tells me that UW should make some sort of concession rather than splitting the tickets evenly.

Why not do a game in Seattle, a game at Spokane Arena, and a game somewhere very neutral, maybe even something like the Rose Garden in Portland. Or they could do a game at Key, at the Arena and then home and home to round out the series.

There’s actually been more Gonzaga support of this than I thought so I have no clue what Mark Few is going to do. Just giving my reaction.

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by Zach Bell on Oct 21, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thoughts

You are right, they don’t have anything to prove, but for fans, games like this matter. A counter offer would be wise but there is really no downside to picking up this series even if played only in Key Arena. I do disagree that UW needs the game. Certainly it would be nice but not necessary as they play in a pretty darn good league compared to the Zags. I like both teams and I think the series needs to come back even if played in Seattle.

by Spokane on Oct 21, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Key Arena

Why play in that dump! It couldn’t even support the Sonics! “AKA Thunder”

glen mccloud

by montanazag on Oct 22, 2009 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Counter

I like the series! Don’t like the offer! So counter and see what happens. “Spokane” says it’s just a short flight? They go in both directions don’t they? How many other teams in the country would like that? Give nothing but home and home or…….nothing! JMO

by mikesequim on Oct 21, 2009 2:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Short flight

It is a short flight, but Spokane Arena is tiny compared to Key Arena and money is to be made with each additional ticket to be sold. I don’t see a home and home happening. A rose garden game, now that is an interesting idea!

by Spokane on Oct 21, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Need to think of the "net" finances....

I am curious what the net difference in actual ticket revenue for the schools would be. Doing some quick math I don’t think it is as much as you are thinking it would be…

Key Arena seats 17,000 / 2 teams = 8,500 tickets per school
McCarthey seats 6,000 and the Bank of America Arena seats 10,000.
When you factor in the cost of leasing the Key Arena and unless there is some revenue sharing with concessions it might come out to be pretty close.

Also, Spokane Arena sits 12,000 which would be a significant revenue upgrade from the MAC for GU if there was a home and home agreement.

I am with Mike on this one, home and home or nothing else…..
Also interesting that Romar waited until the GU team is extremely young to put this offer on table…

by DKZagBlazer on Oct 21, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

DKZ

Your last sentence says it all. I just didn’t want to bring it up. Your right on! Not only did the UW get pounded 3 years ago when they came here but Romar probably looked at the next 2 years with his team and the Zag’s and opted out. Why get buried by the Zag’s and lose recruiting? It was a good move on his part. Now they have the players to compete. I like Coach Romar, he’s all Husky, so why not try and pull the wool over peoples eyes? Home and home or take a hike! WSU is getting the ink now with the Zag’s and I like it.

by mikesequim on Oct 21, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

COWARDS

the University of Washington are bunch of cowards. This is a slap in the face. How dare they. Hopefully they have all written there thank you letters to Lute Olson and Arizona for Abdul Gaddy. I cant wait till they get to scared of Seattle U to even play them. You know Cameron “Dice Man” Dollar has some tricks up his sleeve.

by Heister316 on Oct 21, 2009 8:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Excellent

Lute Olson literally added at least two years to Lorenzo Romar’s coaching tenure at Washington by resigning. Gaddy’s a stud and him being there will probably help them get a few other good prep players from Seattle.

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by Zach Bell on Oct 21, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

No Purple -- Just Yellow

Romar and the U-Dub athletic department is the cowards — not the U-Dub fans or players.

Frankly the Spokane Arena is a more modern, more comfortable, more accessible venue than Key Arena. The seats are better, the views are better — it’s all better.

I guess Romar couldn’t get a game with Portand (or doesn’t want to play them for a while) and can’t afford air fare out of town. Its not his fault that State of Washington has budgetary concerns. To bad they are funding the highway patrol with his travel budget!

This whole offer appears to be part of a pattern? Remember the Apple Cup offer to WSU? Play it in Seattle at the Seahawks stadium and . . . what was the ticket split? (sorry don’t remember but seems it wasn’t even close to 50/50). The Cougs said no thanks and walked — which was the right thing to do.

The only good thing about accepting an offer like this is that we would have a presence in Seattle which would help our recruiting in the area.

Ooops! We already play the Battle in Seattle game already for this purpose. I wonder if spanking U-Dub three times in their own back yard would afford us any additional benefits?

Offer them a home and away and see what happens. We can all chip in and pay for the bus to Spokane if they need a little help! ;-)

mjc

by quidveritas on Oct 21, 2009 9:07 PM PDT reply actions  

With regaurds to the apple cup proposal,

It was originally supposed to be 50/50, then UW changed their minds and said they needed more after some pressure from fans.

Vote for Butch!

by spencer peaty on Oct 21, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

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